Load for Cast 30/06 170 gr Bullet

[Wieldbill]

I'm looking for a powder load for Win 748. I'm using it to load my cast 170gr sierra style cast bullet.

Hoping someone has a load for this powder and boolit.

 

[fiver]

it won't be me.
I cannot get [my] 748 to work for me with any type of reduction. [in the bigger cases]
maybe a filler would help, but after poor accuracy with even a thin jacketed copper wrapped bullet I just moved along.

 

[quicksylver]

What is a serra style bullet?

As for the 748 unless you are using it in a 223 with jacketed, I would pretty much stay away from it...

Got anything else..just about anything else would be better..

 

[Ian]

The only "reduced" load I ever had success using 748 was .30-30 Winchester, which is a far smaller and much more efficient case for the combination. 29 grains IIRC under a 170 cast was dirty but fairly consistent, and not all that much reduced.

Your clue-bird to inappropriate powder/bullet combinations is not being able to find load data for them in the manuals.

 

[Wieldbill]

I'm loading 30-06 gas check bullet cast with the NOE mold 309-169-FN
the following is the image . Since I have Win 748 I wanted to see if anyone knew what load recipe I could use for my 30-06 cast 170gr bullets. The Lyman 4th addition "Casting Handbook" has multiple powder loads for this bullet but I don't have any of those powders. If there's no decent recipe for the 30-06 cast 170gr bullet using the Win 748 I will buy one of the powders Lyman recommends. Here are the powders Lyman recommends in their Handbook for the 170gr 30-06 cast bullet.

POWDERS: Unique, SR-7625, Herco, SR-4756, 2400, SR-4759, 5744, IMR-4198, RX7 and IMR-3031 smokeless powder

I'm hoping I can work up a load using the Win 748 smokeless powder that I already have.

When I made my subsonic 300 Blackouts I went ahead and purchased the H110 powder and made the best subsonic 300 Blackouts. So now I'm hoping together we can work up a great load for my cast 30-06 bullets using Win 748 smokeless powder.

 

[Rick]

It will be interesting to see if you get a good load with W 748. Being a ball powder I've had less than stellar results reducing it. Probably not as sensitive reduced as H-110 but.

 

[Blaster]

My Hornady manual lists 748 @ 41.1-48.4 for a velocity of 2,300-2,700 from a 24" Garand using WLR primers and 168 gr bullets.

 

[Wieldbill]

How would I figure out how much Win 748 powder I would use for the 30-06 cast bullet at 170gr. Where would I start and how would I proceed. Is the only way to add small amounts of powder into the shell and try the bullet and check it FPS? What do you think?

 

[Wieldbill]

My Hornady manual lists 748 @ 41.1-48.4 for a velocity of 2,300-2,700 from a 24" Garand using WLR primers and 168 gr bullets.

So what do we think? If I do a load at 41.1gr at the low end to start how do you think it would do in my 30-06 Remington 700?

 

[Ian]

Now my warning sirens are going off.

How you figure it out is use PUBLISHED DATA such as what Blaster just posted for you. Don't go below minimum starting loads. Minimum loads exist for a reason, especially in the instance of spherical ball powders, CAST bullets, and big ol' .30-caliber cases.

 

[300BLK]

I've not tried it, but Lyman 46th lists 748 under the 311291 and 311041, and basically 30-47gr. There are other powder/cartridge combinations that sound counter-intuitive like 30-30/H110, so I suppose that it could work.

 

[Wieldbill]

I've not tried it, but Lyman 46th lists 748 under the 311291 and 311041, and basically 30-47gr. There are other powder/cartridge combinations that sound counter-intuitive like 30-30/H110, so I suppose that it could work.

I've not tried it, but Lyman 46th lists 748 under the 311291 and 311041, and basically 30-47gr. There are other powder/cartridge combinations that sound counter-intuitive like 30-30/H110, so I suppose that it could work.

 

[Wieldbill]

If I look at the Lyman 49th addition can I use those loads even though there not for cast bullets. Can I use the recipes for FMJ bullets for my cast bullets.

Up till now I have been living with the Lyman Casting Handbook under my pillow. I've been concerned about the PSI of the normal recipes. So I've been stuck with the Lyman casting book and the internet for my recipes. If I use the FMJ loads at their low end can I use them for my cast bullets?

 

[fiver]

you can but your accuracy will suck.

try 34-36grs of the 748 and a magnum primer if you have it.
that should keep you in the 18-1900 fps area.
if you see vertical stringing on the target then back off to 33.5 and start using a grain of Dacron to fill the case from the powder to the case mouth then seat the boolit down into place on top of it

 

[quicksylver]

This is what I came across...sorry it's a little grainy.. it's a reprint..

 

[KHornet]

Many words of wisdom here! If it were me, I would listen to them.

Paul

 

[Wieldbill]

You guys are crazy with knowledge. So I have several ways to go and the old Lyman casting book I think is where I'll start. Considering that they didn't add this to the 4th addition I'm guessing that got some negative feedback but I have 16 lbs of Win 748 and I need to use it....LOL

Perhaps OI should have brought the NRA insurance that they are always pushing. Wish me luck.....

 

[quicksylver]

Or sell it to someone who loads .223 ..it's fantastic with the heavier bullets...

Just watch for hang fires in the 30-06..If you load it down..good luck

 

[Wieldbill]

Quicksylver I do load 55gr 223 cal bullets and if I can use the W748 in those bullets then it's time for me to buy a new powder to work with. In my Lyman 4th addition Casting Handbook there are multiple powders for the 30-06 bullet. Can you give me a suggestion on which would work for 200 yard target shooting and Hunting.

 

[quicksylver]

You probably would want to start with the mid range powders..
2400,Reloader 7,4198,4227..then move on to the slower powders..H4985,AA4064,4320,Varget, 4350...

2400,Reloader 7 are my favorites in the faster powders.

H4895,AA4064 and Varget turn in some impressive groups..

With the right bullets the slower powders will work with weights of from 155 to over 200 grain...

I'd you have or can get some the 311299 with a starting load of 29 grs of H4895, AA4064 or Varget are tack drivers. ..ditto for the 311284 ,311290

Start with 27 grs with your 170 grain bullet and work up in .5 grain increments. ...

Although not very economical the Lee 155 312 ..shoots very well with 30 grains of H4895..haven't tried anything lower 'cause I use it in my M1 Garand. .