Making black powder at home

Ian

Notorious member
A new quest of mine. Finding myself with the illness that follows being bitten by the muzzle-loader bug, flint lock variety this time, that old partial pound of Goex 3Fg powder didn't last long and the Graf's house brand I bought just to have hangfires almost as badly as straight Pyrodex if it lights at all. I always wanted to fiddle with flinters and brewing my own fuel so here goes.

Three simple ingredients, put it together a certain way, and presto! Gunpowder! Well, not quite. Here's what I've done:

Got some technical grade, granulated KNO2 and sulfur, a dedicated kitchen blender, a small rock tumbler, a manual coffee grinder with ceramic wheels, and some brass ball bearings. Also picked up a stackable set of grading screens in 10/20/30/40/50 and 60 mesh.

Then I took one of those sheet metal popcorn tins we all have left over from Christmas and cooked down some small ricks of Red Alder in a couple of different batches (holding at different temperatures) and some seasoned Chinaberry in another. Turned the finished charcoal to airfloat in the blender and immediately put in sealed mason jars.

First go in the little rubber ball mill canister with brass balls, I did the 75/15/10 mix by weight and let it run. After checking a few times it took about 28 hours to get dust, definitely needed improvement. So I damped the dust with 91% isopropyl alcohol until it would just start to clean the sides of the container (like making pie crust) and riced it through the 20-mesh screen. After drying, I re-screened it into 3F and 4F and did some open-air burn tests (light a line of it off) and it seemed almost as fast as Goex but didn't put off quite as strong of a pressure wave or heat blast. Riced powder never has the oomph of corned so I wasn't surprised.

I enjoyed shooting this powder in several percussion guns and my flinter rifle where it worked great but of course was pretty low in velocity compared to Goex and Graf's of the same grades. My stuff lights in the pan VERY well.

After the first go I'm left with two problems to solve: Need mo' powah and stronger granules. The riced powder kernels easily crush to dust between thumb and forefinger, will not withstand polishing, and won't work in a powder horn very well. I also suspect the kernels will revert to dust quickly in storage. Corning is supposed to fix both problems, so I tried that. 1.5" ID heavy aluminum tube with a piston turned to match was used in conjunction with a 20-ton hydraulic shop press to produce corned pucks of very high density. I used alcohol to just barely dampen the meal until it stopped making dust when stirred with a spoon in a container (just a few drops, in other words) before corning. Then I broke up the dried pucks with a plastic mallet, ran them through the coffee grinder, and screened the results. I got about 30-40% dust and the grains were still very soft if not a little more dense than riced. I shot some of this and it was ok but not what I was looking for, so back to the drawing board.

One other thing that bothered me was the long milling time required to make real dust of the meal. My tumbler setup, in a word, sucked. Not enough brass balls, brass not heavy enough, rubber drum soaked up too much energy. So I thought on it a bit and ended up using a hard, plastic, hexagonal Airsoft BB container for a drum and filled it up nearly halfway with scrap .45 ACP cast full of wheelweight metal. Then I stuck the container with all three powder ingredients and the cylindrical media inside into my SSTM tumbler, packed towels around it to take up the space, held it together with just the rubber cover, and turned it on. WOW what a difference! I had finer then ever meal (feels like motor mica between the fingers) in only eight hours.

After some exhaustive internet research I came up with several binding agents used to make hard grains. I also found out that using straight water to lightly dampen the meal before corning makes the KNO3 glue the mix together...supposedly. I tried corning the meal with water and it was not much better than alcohol and took a lot longer for the pucks to dry, so I decided that a binder would be necessary even with corning, at least at my house.

The binders I found for black powder are red gum powder, dextrin, gum Arabic, Carboxymethylcellulose, and soluble glutinous rice starch. Red gum and dextrin seem to be the choice of hobby pyrotechnicians who are just ricing their powder (not corning in a press) and don't care all that much about how clean it burns or energy density. Gum Arabic and CMC aren't used much for sporting powders and I couldn't find a lot of information about them outside of fireworks lift propellant. I finally found a source who actually made and used gunpowder bound with soluble glutinous rice starch and the report was grains hard as rocks and the burn not being any more dirty than without, at a 3% treatment. So I got some thinking all I'd have to do is rice and grade the stuff, maybe polish it, and use more to make up the lack of power at the range. Quick, easy, and simple. That was the plan.....

Well, first off, even at 2% the rice starch made the dampened ball very sticky and like clay. It didn't want to push through a screen and when it did it just made worms that stuck together even with minimal water. With great effort and screening damp I managed to produce 2000 grains of the stuff in 3 and 4F and let it dry, so I have the unexpected setback to my easy ricing process. However, grains are HARD! Haven't shot any of that yet but the 20-50 screen comes out 37.2 grains per 50 grain measure (Goex 3Fg is 53 grains at the same setting) so it's awful light. Burns like mad, so there's that.

Next I tried a new batch with 2% rice starch as a binder (added to finished meal and tumbled in the improved ball mill for another hour) and corned the jeezus out of it. Made one puck to test and it dried almost too hard to grind, breaks like glass, and makes lots and lots of useless dust when put through the coffee mill. About 50% yield of 3-4F. Lesson learned, next I pressed a puck from the meal and broke up and ground it damp, similar results in dust percentage. Obviously my particular coffee mill is the wrong tool here but I'm still learning. The good thing about breaking up and grinding the freshly pressed pucks is that I can recycle the dust immediately into the press and re-corn it on the spot, ending up with only about 5% of powder that will go back in the milled dust can and be added to the next batch of ground meal powder for corning. Happy with that but I need to improve my crushing and milling techniques to make it easier and faster yet retain my process of working only one puck at a time (about 3/4 ounce of powder in any one process from corning to finished powder container, that way if it blows up it won't hurt much as all processes are physically separated to prevent chain explosions or explosions of a large amount at once). I did a density test of the corned, damp-milled powder after the grains had dried well and it only increased to 43 grains per 50 grain volume measure. I'm within 12% of the measure but expected more. I think my charcoal is too light, this whole time I've been using the same, Red Alder charcoal that had been cooked into full submission in my retort rather than going lower and stopping sooner to retain more aromatics and creosotes. I also think overcooking the charcoal made it so it won't make hard grains even when dampened with water and corned in a press. Binders aren't supposed to be needed when corning heavily but so far this is NOT my experience.

Next step is to shoot a bunch of the corned, ground, starched powder and see how it does. If that works OK I'll continue to refine the process of making that product in those percentages easier and faster to do. If the performance doesn't improve greatly to make it worth the effort I'll next switch to experimenting with different charcoal and keep all else the same for now. Really all I have to play with is making the puck grinding more efficient and faster and experimenting with binder amounts and charcoal type/degree of cook.

Hopefully this weekend I'll have some answers.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I bought the book, but have never made any. I think that is because my buddy still has a keg (50#) of DuPont FFF. And he will never shoot that much up in the rest of our lives.
 

glassparman

"OK, OK, I'm going as fast as I don't want to go!"
Too bad I haven't moved to OKC yet, I'd give you some of my surplus BP. It is all recovered from 8mm Kropatschek training blanks. Most of it came out of the cases in the FFg size without having to dig it out.

I can get plenty of Goex at my local shop.

Don't blow herself up! ;)
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
Captain Kirk made black powder and the weapon in just minutes while a larger stronger alien was coming to kill him. All this from stuff he found in the open on the alien planet. LOL!!!

I’ve thought about trying this too, especially since black powder is getting extra hard to find, and it’s always been hard to find around here. After reading your post, I think I’d be more inclined to make my own flints though, cripes they’re expensive per shot! They can be ”sharpened“ with a diamond wheel but the one I have won’t fit my table saw and only fits my circular saw. It will be a little more difficult but I’m determined to make it work.

I read somewhere that using lead instead of leather wrapped around the flint will make it last longer but you can’t prove it by me. Supposed to a firmer grip with the lead. I use lead tape designed for adding weight to a golf club.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
Do you think the spark that a typical small engine spark plug produces would be enough to set off a charge of black?
 

Todd M

Craftsman of metals...always learning.
Ian, I’ve been hoping you would post your journey with this, it’s on my list also. Glad you are having fun!
 

Ian

Notorious member
I could order 25 lbs of Swiss FFFg tonight and be set for life, it's available and "only" $40/lb plus tax, freight, and hazmat. I could buy the German stuff for $18/lb. Goex of course hasn't been made in a while since the company has sold.

But that's none of that is the point really, unless I could buy it a pound or two at a time locally for, say, $15/lb. SWISS that is. If all I could get was Flaming Dirt Goex I'd still be trying to make my own, better stuff just because I find the process fun and interesting.

Not counting the expense of tooling up, I'm into this for less than $5/lb and could do it for half that if I bought bulk pyrotechnic-grade ingredients.
 
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Ian

Notorious member
After reading your post, I think I’d be more inclined to make my own flints though, cripes they’re expensive per shot!

About a nickel a pop at best if you have a good lock and get one sharpening per flint. I do make my own, not good at it yet but can knap serviceable ones without cutting the rock. I wondered about resharpening with a diamond wheel, seems it wouldn't be difficult or expensive since 6" diamond coated disks are around $15 and can be glued to the round sanding wheel on most benchtop belt sanders. That's how I sharpen my carbide scraper blades accurately when scraping in machine ways.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Do you think the spark that a typical small engine spark plug produces would be enough to set off a charge of black?
There is a video of 50-75k volts discharge through a pile of BP with no ignition.the spark just runs along the graphite polish . It might fire it in untreated "raw" powder .
 
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Ian

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It takes heat to make the fire happen. Spark is hot but dwell time short, must get the powder surface up to auto-ignition temperature. I think there was/is an electronic ignition in-line muzzle loader but I bet it uses a glow plug instead of a spark. Sparks are good for lighting a stochiometric mix of vapor because they heat the molecules directly instead of needing to get a solid surface up to a certain temperature.
 

Tom

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I've never tried making my own, and I don't know if this would help, but I remember reading on another forum that willow charcoal was a better ingredient.
No clue if it was chunks of weeping willow or if you had to skin the bark off of the skinny willows found along the creek.
 
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Tomme boy

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40$/lb for Swiss? Where are you seeing that? I am lucky as this place is about 40 miles from me. He has a bunch of different types.

 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Captain Kirk made black powder and the weapon in just minutes while a larger stronger alien was coming to kill him. All this from stuff he found in the open on the alien planet. LOL!!!

I’ve thought about trying this too, especially since black powder is getting extra hard to find, and it’s always been hard to find around here. After reading your post, I think I’d be more inclined to make my own flints though, cripes they’re expensive per shot! They can be ”sharpened“ with a diamond wheel but the one I have won’t fit my table saw and only fits my circular saw. It will be a little more difficult but I’m determined to make it work.

I read somewhere that using lead instead of leather wrapped around the flint will make it last longer but you can’t prove it by me. Supposed to a firmer grip with the lead. I use lead tape designed for adding weight to a golf club.
Sounds like a 5/8" hole. If you don't have one, pick up a cheapie 4 1/2" angle grinder, see if the wheel fits it (bet it will) and clamp it in a vice. Shold be even easier to use than the table saw. A 4 1/2" grinder is under $20 at places like Harbor Freight.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Outstanding post Ian! Very interesting! I think your on the right track with different types of wood for the charcoal and different "cook" times. I'd think the longer is bakes, the more the woods natural binders degrade. Probably info on it out there someplace, finding it's the hard part. I know there are YT guys playing with it.

I've also heard/read that willow makes good charcoal for gunpowder and for other things. IIRC at one the US Mint specified a particular type of willow charcoal in one of their processes. How that relates to gun powder I can't say, but it stuck in my head...like cobwebs!
 

Mitty38

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I was reading about Danial Boon.
Him being trapped in his fort by Indians for 10 days. Constantly under seage.
Them making gun powder out of bat and bird poop, charcoal, and sulfur they extracted from the Virginia soil.
Figure if they could make black powder from poop, burnt wood and dirt.That went bang. You should be able to make somee pretty good stuff, with your know how and modern sources.
Just keep at it you will get it perfected.

I learned make gun cotton. Used it for home made rocket engines for my models. Took a few times but finaly got it right. And I still have all my fingers, lost a few rockets though!

Maybe you could use gun cotton just in the flash pan. Lights with the smallest spark. Would sure make enough heat to set off black powder.
 
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Ian

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Pan powder is no problem, my first batch of screened (riced) powder worked great for that in all grades including 2F, but the Graf & Sons house-branded German powder didn't.

I really like being able to make green powder for the flinter to my own specifications so I can prime from the horn and still have easy, fast ignition. Green meaning not polished and not graphited. Graphite slows burn and raises ignition temperature but makes the powder handle and store better.
 

Todd M

Craftsman of metals...always learning.
Sounds like a 5/8" hole. If you don't have one, pick up a cheapie 4 1/2" angle grinder, see if the wheel fits it (bet it will) and clamp it in a vice. Shold be even easier to use than the table saw. A 4 1/2" grinder is under $20 at places like Harbor Freight.
My experience with harbor freight 4 1/2” grinders is they last about 2-3 days. Maybe I got bad ones, but I quickly bought another Dewalt, as they have consistently given me 5-8 years as a intermittent welder/fabricator.