My Favorite Rifle.
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fiver
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the ICL is a modified Ackley.
straighter case walls but still with the 40* shoulder angle.
the Ackley retains the basic original case slope, but changes the shoulder out to the 40*'s.
there's a few different Ackley versions that move the shoulder around a bit and uses up some of the case neck length or leaves it long.
the ICL pushes the shoulder all the way up to the neck and squares it off, and pushes all the case out to the base diameter.
you basically take the 7 mauser case from about 50grains of case capacity to nearly 60.
but the important thing is how the case shape influences the burn speed of the powder.
in this case i burn 1 more grain of powder versus the standard case using plus-P brass and gain about 120fps using the same powder.
what happens is the squared off case makes the powder burn about a step faster. [the short version]
but it gives you enough case capacity to really ramp things up by slowing the burn speed down even more and using more of it.
a 140gr. bullet at 3+K is nothing to sneeze at, not necessary, but easily obtainable if so desired.
straighter case walls but still with the 40* shoulder angle.
the Ackley retains the basic original case slope, but changes the shoulder out to the 40*'s.
there's a few different Ackley versions that move the shoulder around a bit and uses up some of the case neck length or leaves it long.
the ICL pushes the shoulder all the way up to the neck and squares it off, and pushes all the case out to the base diameter.
you basically take the 7 mauser case from about 50grains of case capacity to nearly 60.
but the important thing is how the case shape influences the burn speed of the powder.
in this case i burn 1 more grain of powder versus the standard case using plus-P brass and gain about 120fps using the same powder.
what happens is the squared off case makes the powder burn about a step faster. [the short version]
but it gives you enough case capacity to really ramp things up by slowing the burn speed down even more and using more of it.
a 140gr. bullet at 3+K is nothing to sneeze at, not necessary, but easily obtainable if so desired.
CWLONGSHOT
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JonB
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OK #1 fave Rifle here.
I may have told this story more than once, but while looking for photos on my two hard drives, I don't think I've posted any photos before, cuz I couldn't find any, so these are freshly taken today. This Rifle does shoot pretty good...good enough I guess, this story is more about my Buy-Sell-Trade habits.
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Jap Type-38 Customized and re-chambered to 257R x 6.5 (that is what is stamped on the barrel). Now there is a bunch of names for these conversions and I likely have the only one marked like that. I bought it at a gunshow with a set of Bystrom Dies that were labeled the more typical 6.5 x 257R. It came with a Rear Peep sight. I put the Weaver rail on it. Two things were going on when I bought this rifle, I was just started to melt Lead and unbeknownst to me, my right eye was developing an astigmatism. I struggled shooting this rifle with a Peep, so I opted for the ugly rail. I had Lee make a couple custom dies, a collet neck sizer and a collet FCD. When I planned my big gun auction, this one got the cut. I got rid of several nice custom Mausers at that sale.
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After the auction, every time I look through my dies, I see those custom dies and wonder about this T-38. Now the Auctioneer told me when I signed the contract for the auction, that there will be no contacting the buyers, if I get seller remorse. I did get the list of buyers names and numbers for my records, after much discussion, but he was reluctant...told me multiple times, don't contact them.
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About a year after the auction, I contact the Auctioneer about contacting the buyer of the T-38, I did have his name and number, but I figured I better get his permission, I figured he probably would know the buyer and would know if it was a bad idea, most of the buyers were my Gunshow associates, but there were the local auction regulars and well as the "Randoms" that just show up for a gun auction. I tell the Auctioneer the name. He says, I'm glad you asked, cuz I wouldn't want you contacting any of the "Randoms," But, that fella is a gun flipper and and a friend of mine, your T-38 is probably already sold.
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I call the guy and get quite the story. I won't include his story here, cuz this is already getting long. But it is one hell of a coincidence. He tells me he was just packing up for a Gunshow in southern MN and this Rifle was on the list. He had bought some vintage Lyman dies (marked 6.5 Robt) and loaded some .264 jacketed bullet ammo and accuracy was poor, so he was ready to part with it, only hoping to get his investment back out of it. BTW, this gun has the original military barrel with Metford rifling and a Groove Dia of .2685 which of course I already knew, so that's probably why the inaccuracy. Also, inspecting his reloads, besides the loads being quite hot, his craftsman left a lot to be desired.
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I ask about buying it back...He says five "hundred dollar bills" will buy the gun with some cheapo scope on it, Dies and about 500 pcs of 257 Roberts brass in various prepped conditions. So, I kind of lucked out.
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I have tried all four 6.5 molds that NOE has made, the fat (270) copy of the 266469 worked best for this rifle, because of the tapered nose. The other three mold designs all had a nose for a old warhorse with a worn throat. I've never did a pound-cast (chamber), but I suspect the fella that rechambered this, did so in such a fashion to make a short leade/throat, cuz the 3 fat nose designs had to be seated quite deep in the case.
I may have told this story more than once, but while looking for photos on my two hard drives, I don't think I've posted any photos before, cuz I couldn't find any, so these are freshly taken today. This Rifle does shoot pretty good...good enough I guess, this story is more about my Buy-Sell-Trade habits.
.
Jap Type-38 Customized and re-chambered to 257R x 6.5 (that is what is stamped on the barrel). Now there is a bunch of names for these conversions and I likely have the only one marked like that. I bought it at a gunshow with a set of Bystrom Dies that were labeled the more typical 6.5 x 257R. It came with a Rear Peep sight. I put the Weaver rail on it. Two things were going on when I bought this rifle, I was just started to melt Lead and unbeknownst to me, my right eye was developing an astigmatism. I struggled shooting this rifle with a Peep, so I opted for the ugly rail. I had Lee make a couple custom dies, a collet neck sizer and a collet FCD. When I planned my big gun auction, this one got the cut. I got rid of several nice custom Mausers at that sale.
.
After the auction, every time I look through my dies, I see those custom dies and wonder about this T-38. Now the Auctioneer told me when I signed the contract for the auction, that there will be no contacting the buyers, if I get seller remorse. I did get the list of buyers names and numbers for my records, after much discussion, but he was reluctant...told me multiple times, don't contact them.
.
About a year after the auction, I contact the Auctioneer about contacting the buyer of the T-38, I did have his name and number, but I figured I better get his permission, I figured he probably would know the buyer and would know if it was a bad idea, most of the buyers were my Gunshow associates, but there were the local auction regulars and well as the "Randoms" that just show up for a gun auction. I tell the Auctioneer the name. He says, I'm glad you asked, cuz I wouldn't want you contacting any of the "Randoms," But, that fella is a gun flipper and and a friend of mine, your T-38 is probably already sold.
.
I call the guy and get quite the story. I won't include his story here, cuz this is already getting long. But it is one hell of a coincidence. He tells me he was just packing up for a Gunshow in southern MN and this Rifle was on the list. He had bought some vintage Lyman dies (marked 6.5 Robt) and loaded some .264 jacketed bullet ammo and accuracy was poor, so he was ready to part with it, only hoping to get his investment back out of it. BTW, this gun has the original military barrel with Metford rifling and a Groove Dia of .2685 which of course I already knew, so that's probably why the inaccuracy. Also, inspecting his reloads, besides the loads being quite hot, his craftsman left a lot to be desired.
.
I ask about buying it back...He says five "hundred dollar bills" will buy the gun with some cheapo scope on it, Dies and about 500 pcs of 257 Roberts brass in various prepped conditions. So, I kind of lucked out.
.
I have tried all four 6.5 molds that NOE has made, the fat (270) copy of the 266469 worked best for this rifle, because of the tapered nose. The other three mold designs all had a nose for a old warhorse with a worn throat. I've never did a pound-cast (chamber), but I suspect the fella that rechambered this, did so in such a fashion to make a short leade/throat, cuz the 3 fat nose designs had to be seated quite deep in the case.
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CWLONGSHOT
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Same here. I looked for a Ruger RSI in 250 Savage for my wife for a whole lotta years. I just missed the opportunity of a 257 RSI and that's what I decided to build her a rifle.
smokeywolf
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That's a beautiful rifle Jon. I'm a sucker for pretty wood and have a weak spot for the Mannlicher stock.
Maybe not my favorite rifle (below), but I could change my mind.
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StrawHat
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richhodg66
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I'm kind of curious why the dislike of the .308? Is it simply because everybody has one and it's kind of boring? I can see that, but it really is likely to be the best overall rifle catridge all things considered, I just happen to like the .30-06 and a few others more.
richhodg66
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Josh
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If we're looking at the 308, it's just a bit too large in bore diameter for case capacity. I can do everything a 308 can do with a 7-08, and do it more efficiently. It's an unpopular opinion, but I base it in fact.
It duplicates 30-06 ballistics from 1940, as of now, I'd much prefer a 30-06 over the 308. Modern powders make the 06 a much more viable 30 cal.
fiver
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i'm sure they do... chuckle.
i run my Deer hunting 0-6 to the original military spec's though.
a 150gr. flat base at a half click over 2700fps. with 4064.
i also about do it with 4895 in the savage loaner rifle,, only at 2650 for the reduced recoil, but have a few boxes of loads banging around the 2800 fps Garand load.
i also keep a batch of 50-100 165gr Nosler loads with the cases jam packed full of rl-22, just in case i get stupid and go after an Elk again.
Josh
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My 06 really does love a stout charge of IMR 4350 and a Speer 150 gr SPBT at 2940 fps. If I'm shooting at eastern game with my 06, this is what I use. I've not really got a 200 gr load worked up because it's just not needed, but, that weight bullet really makes me realize I don't need a 300 Win Mag.
My favorite hunting rifle is a Remington 700 that started out life as a 25-06 Classic. A gun shop friend re-barreled it with a 24" Douglas bbl with a 1:12 twist in .35 cal, and chambered it in .35 Whalen. I stocked it with a Hogue stock.
I've killed 2 bull moose, 1 bull elk and several white tails with a 280g Lyman 358009 and this rifle, before I had to give up hunting. I used a safe charge of 4064 and heat treated the bullets. Velocity was chronographed at 2250 and accuracy was 1.5 to 2 inches at 100 yds.
I've killed 2 bull moose, 1 bull elk and several white tails with a 280g Lyman 358009 and this rifle, before I had to give up hunting. I used a safe charge of 4064 and heat treated the bullets. Velocity was chronographed at 2250 and accuracy was 1.5 to 2 inches at 100 yds.