Never Ending Battle....The war starts anew!
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Josh
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I understand what Ian is saying, when you are facing a velocity wall (1050 FPS) the only way to make more energy is to bump the weight on the bullet.
You asked about the 35 Remington with the 1:16 twist, use a 150 gr bullet pushed at 1000 fps using 2 gr of titegroup. It necessarily isn't the weight of the bullet that makes the bang, it is muzzle pressure and powder volume.
Using the 358 Winchester you could pinch off a 230 gr at the same speed, using about one more grain of powder, the bullet speed will still be the same but your payload will be heavier.
The energy relation between a 150 in the 35 Rem and a 230 in a 358 Win should be similar to a full power 9mm and full power 357 mag. Both will take groundhogs with ample ease, both will sound similar.
You asked about the 35 Remington with the 1:16 twist, use a 150 gr bullet pushed at 1000 fps using 2 gr of titegroup. It necessarily isn't the weight of the bullet that makes the bang, it is muzzle pressure and powder volume.
Using the 358 Winchester you could pinch off a 230 gr at the same speed, using about one more grain of powder, the bullet speed will still be the same but your payload will be heavier.
The energy relation between a 150 in the 35 Rem and a 230 in a 358 Win should be similar to a full power 9mm and full power 357 mag. Both will take groundhogs with ample ease, both will sound similar.
Ian
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I never did get a fully valid reading on the magnetospeed, but the compensated values that seemed to mean something were about 450 fps.
Started with 2.7 TG and 220 grain HP, with gas checks. Worked down to 1.8 grains and got huge vertical stringing at 25 yards but I was using Felix lube in the deep, square groove instead of tumble lube like I bet would work better. 2.0 grains seems about right. Not sure of actual bullet weight with gas check.
It's loud. I have very sensitive ears and wouldn't want to shoot more than one or two of these without protection. Difficult to say how loud it would be to the neighbors, but to me, it's a little louder at 2.0 grains than a Winchester Super X 42 grain subsonic .22 lr fired from a 18" barrel.
Started with 2.7 TG and 220 grain HP, with gas checks. Worked down to 1.8 grains and got huge vertical stringing at 25 yards but I was using Felix lube in the deep, square groove instead of tumble lube like I bet would work better. 2.0 grains seems about right. Not sure of actual bullet weight with gas check.
It's loud. I have very sensitive ears and wouldn't want to shoot more than one or two of these without protection. Difficult to say how loud it would be to the neighbors, but to me, it's a little louder at 2.0 grains than a Winchester Super X 42 grain subsonic .22 lr fired from a 18" barrel.
Ian
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Oh, right, stability. Made three into the same, round hole at 15 yards with the 2.0 grain load, then at 25 clustered three with a lube purge flyer at about an inch out, then at 1.8 made a 3" tall line of clean, clean, purge, clean, purge, clean. That's all I had loaded. At 25 yards I thought I was seeing a little tipping, hard to say for sure. It could have been chunks of lube coming out of the bullet, the damp paper, or the bullet just wasn't stabilized as we'd expect.
Ian
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Targets and backstops. Bullet impact noise can be as loud as the report if it's on steel or hard ground. Even damp clay makes a very loud "THOCK" noise when struck by a slow-moving, heavy bullet. I'm using mostly either crumb rubber or sand filled boxes for traps, and self-healing polymer swinger targets or asphalt sheathing panels for targets and paper target backers.
JWFilips
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Josh
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Mihec hollowpoint with strike anywhere match? LOL
fiver
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there's a dude on the U-tube shooting phosphorus and some type of nitrate bullets.[sodium ?]
whatever he used is super reactive with water.
as in watermelons just completely disintegrate.
when he mixed the two you could watch the bullets burn as they went through the air.
pretty useless on their own but combine a hollow point full of the stuff and you have a whole other world.
something I know that works is a primer in the tip, it does odd things when it's going off while being shoved forward.
whatever he used is super reactive with water.
as in watermelons just completely disintegrate.
when he mixed the two you could watch the bullets burn as they went through the air.
pretty useless on their own but combine a hollow point full of the stuff and you have a whole other world.
something I know that works is a primer in the tip, it does odd things when it's going off while being shoved forward.
35 shooter
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JW,
Your fighting the kind of battle i wouldn't mind being in lol. Never ending chuck or ground hog targets.
Of course i know when it's around the home site the ones you don't get can do a lot of damage.
The one in your pic is "trophy size" for sure!
Your fighting the kind of battle i wouldn't mind being in lol. Never ending chuck or ground hog targets.
Of course i know when it's around the home site the ones you don't get can do a lot of damage.
The one in your pic is "trophy size" for sure!
KHornet
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Jim, a 20 lb chuck is a bruzzer! The biggest one I ever shot as a kid would have probably gone (maybe), 12-14 lbs. As to rabies, in western NY when I was a kid, there was a lot of it and it was prevalent in fox, skunk, coon, and cats. Seems like there was almost one or two people bitten by a rabid something or other, and having to go thru the painful series of shots in the county where I lived. The pdogs I shoot will maybe go a pound for a real big one. We leave them where they lay, as pdogs are known to carry plague. The average dog however would most likely run less than half that amount.