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Tony

Active Member
Mt late father's S&W Model 645 in .45 ACP is now mine. This pistol appears to be very little used and in almost new condition. Other than that I know next to nothing about it. I would appreciate it if anyone with knowledge of the model would share. I have about 1,100 jacketed bullets on my bench. When they're gone I'll likely shoot cast exclusively in it. I also have NOE copies of the H&G 68 and the H&G 34, about 2,000 cases, lots of suitable propellant and a few thousand LP primers.

Thanks,

Tony
 

Ben

Moderator
Staff member
I once owned a S&W 25-2, 45 ACP.

A Lee 200 gr. micro-band sized .452" with 3.4 grs. of B'Eye
would shoot into a ragged hole at 25 yards.

Ben
 

Tony

Active Member
I very much regret having sold my 625-3 some years back. However, the 645 is a full size stainless semi-auto that looks, more or less, like a 1911. There is no grip safety but the slide release, magazine release and thumb safety are similar to a 1911. The 645 thumb safety appears to be a decocker. I've never fired this pistol or one similar to it. I need to see if I can find an owner's manual.
 

Dusty Bannister

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I thought I had the key to getting the owners manual for you from this site:

http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm

Unfortunately, Smith & Wesson demanded that their manuals be removed from the site. It is a good place to look,
but NOT for S&W. Guess you will have to visit the makers site for your information.
 

Tony

Active Member
My thanks to Brad, Dusty and all of you. Your efforts have saved me some time. At this point, time is something I do not have enough of.
 

Tony

Active Member
Does anyone here know anything about how the chambers were reamed in these pistols? I assume that .452" diameter cast bullets is a good place to start. I also assume that my H&G 68 and 34 clones will likely feed/function reliably once I determine proper OAL and neck tension.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I know nothing of the handgun in question. I don't think a .452 diameter bullet is ever a bad start point.
I would expect those bullets to feed pretty well once you get the OAL right.
 
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9.3X62AL

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I have owned 5 of the S&W 45 ACP stainless self-loaders--3 of the 645s, 1 of the 4506s, and 1 of the 4516. In short, they are ungodly-strong, utterly reliable, will feed anything reasonably shaped for an autoloader, and are VERY lead-friendly. They had the poor fortune to get marketed right at the time of police department expansion into autopistol issuance and replacement of revolvers (mid-1980s) when SIG-Sauer went ALL-OUT to gain market share and Glock pistols came onstream. The 645/4506 were significantly heavier than the SIG and Glock products, and European pistols held (and still hold) a mystique all their own that seduces rangemasters and gunwriters like red-haired temptresses of easy virtue.

S&W metal-frame autopistols with 2-digit Model numbers (39, 59) are First Generation models. A 3-digit Model number (645, 459, 639) = 2nd generation model, of which the O/P's 645 is a member. The "4" prefix indicates aluminum frame material, a "5" prefix indicates carbon steel frame material, and the "6" prefix = stainless steel receiver. 3rd Generation S&W autos have 4-digit Model number, in which the first two numbers are the base caliber and series identifier, and the last 2 numbers are respectively sub-variant identifier and receiver metal identifier. IOW, my 4506 is a stainless original full-frame with 5" barrel. My 4516 is the compact version with 3.5" barrel and short frame butt.

The 645s had one mechanical flaw, and not a thing that any gun enthusiast should get all overworked about. The little ambidextrous safety/decocker lever on the pistol's right side (best used by lefties) on about 10% of the 645s would come unscrewed and fly off during firing strings. My 3 examples never had this occur, but when it happened I just kept a supply of new levers and screws on hand from S&W--put a drop of epoxy on the screw threads--and all was well afterward. But this little flaw REALLY got a few of our academy range staff's teeth on edge for some reason. The 3rd Generation S&Ws had a dovetailed right-side decock lever on the 4506 et al, so end of issue.

All 5 of my S&W 45 ACP barrels had grooves right at .451", and throats a few tenths larger. They digested .452" bullets with aplomb and without leading. They all ate SWC, TC, and RN castings without a bobble if you abided by Lyman bullet seating/OAL specs. The Lee 230 TC design seated with about .020" of front drive band exposed and given a mild taper crimp feeds wonderfully.

They have been fine service and hunting pistols for me since 1985. One of mine has at least 25,000 rounds through it, and has no wear issues. Their only negative elements were mentioned above--the decocker departures and overall weight of platform.
 

Tony

Active Member
Hot biscuits! That's good info. I assume parts (safety/decocker levers, springs, magazine springs, etc.) are still available from S&W, Brownell's and possibly others. Thanks Al and Brad.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Al, that is some of the best info I have seen in a while. Talk about hitting it outta the park.
 

Maven

Well-Known Member
Al, that is some of the best info I have seen in a while. Talk about hitting it outta the park.

Al and the late Bruce B have always been exceptionally talented writers. A big "thumbs up" on the above, Al!
 
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9.3X62AL

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Very kind words, friends. Thank you all very much. I spent about 20 years with S&W metal-frame autopistols at work and at home. I only got away from them when S&W stopped stocking and selling spare parts for any out-of-production model. I understand that Brownell's bought most of that parts inventory, and I have bought parts there for the last several years.
 

Tony

Active Member
Al,

I was hoping that someone here had some experience with these pistols. Your report was much more than I had hoped for. I value your professional experience combined with a common sense, real world perspective.

Would you care to recommend a list of spare parts to purchase if they are still available?

Best regards,

Tony
 
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9.3X62AL

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The parts I saw break--total sample population of about 125 examples--were as follows--

1) Those right-side decocker switches and their mount screws. These are by far the "most lost"/"most broken" of all the 645 parts IME. This is actually a pretty innocuous "loss", but as above some folks think this is The End Of Western Civilization in their view. I pointed out that their pet SIG-Sauer's didn't have ANY decocking ability for left-handed shooters, and that upset them even more. Euro-fetishists are a strange lot.

2) Slide stops. I have broken two on my own pistols, and saw 3-4 others over time. By "broken" I mean the spring and detent that bear against the angled metal stop deflector fly out of the stop assembly for parts unknown. If your pistol all of a sudden starts locking the slide back for no apparent reason, look first at the slide stop. Chances are the spring and detent went south. If you can find those dinky metal items on range surfaces, good on ya. If you can get the spring and detent pin back in and reset the roll pin that holds it all in place, you have more hands than I was born with. Easier to just get a new slide stop assembly, and all of those I replaced were a drop-in fit with perfect restored function.

3) Ejectors. I only saw one broken and one bent, and the stories I got from the involved deputies sounded a bit like The Dog Ate My Homework, but "whatever". This is an armorer's job, and will usually render the pistol inoperable since the ejector pivots out of the way for disassembly and its spring tension is controlled via magazine insertion--no mag in the well = trigger sear disconnect. I would grab a couple just in case, but none of my S&W pistols in 9mm, 40 S&W, or 45 ACP ever broke one--and my guns got shot A LOT, mostly with reloads.

4) Magazines--the 645 and 4506 magazines interchange with one another. These are drying up, I would snag some while they remain reasonably-priced.
 
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