Trebleplink
New Member
I have a 28 foot sailboat that probably won't sell. It is supposed to have 2500 lbs of lead in the keel. Anybody salvaged keels?
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CWLONGSHOT
Well-Known Member
I did once! Got boat for a song and couple of us tore into it with sawsalls and lots a blades...
richhodg66
Well-Known Member
Seems like a shame to scrap a boat, but I understand. I think I'm set for lead til the dirt nap, unless something really changes in my life, but the idea of a ton of lead for the taking is pretty appealing.
quicksylver
Well-Known Member
trying to cut up the lead can be a little challenging
Trebleplink
New Member
Trying to figure out how to remove the keel on the trailer; without the keel, the fiberglass and wood boat is 6000 lbs. It has 8 half-inch bolts holding it on, and a 1/2" steel plate retractable centerboard inside...
Rick H
Well-Known Member
I'm sure I don't want to tackle a 2500 lb chunk of lead poured into a sailboat keel. I once bought a batch of lead from a guy who delivered it......in ingots the size of cookie sheets....about 30"x24"x 1"-1 1/2" deep. After wrestling it into my garage and saws-alling, axing, sledge hammering, jumping up and down on it, and finally chainsawing the damn stuff I decided it wasn't as good a deal as I thought. Getting it into small enough chunks to smelt into usable ingots is not for the faint of heart.
Winelover
North Central Arkansas
I would think it would involve using a chain fall and a welders torch, once removed from the sailboat.
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JonB
Halcyon member
post #3 ???
SAWSALL
Had a bit of 3/8" to 3/4" lead plate given to me lately. A lot of it was in huge sheets that I was not looking forward to cut into pot sized bits. So I was playing with different Ideas I read on the internet. Tried bending in a vice till it broke....too much work. Tried a fiber wheel blew lead...
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Joshua
Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
This is what I would use! Concrete Demolition Chain Saw. $125 a day! A sailboat keel would cut like butter! Chunk it up like cord wood.
My sail boat keel lead got cut up at the scrap yard with this saws cousin, a stihl cut off saw. Then the yard guy cut it into 20-30 pound chunks on a big shear. My lead was pretty clean, no steel chunks, no sand.
My sail boat keel lead got cut up at the scrap yard with this saws cousin, a stihl cut off saw. Then the yard guy cut it into 20-30 pound chunks on a big shear. My lead was pretty clean, no steel chunks, no sand.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Here goes.....
Marie has an uncle (Tomas) that has done many interesting things over his 80+ years. Among those things are the construction of three sailboats during his life.
I was in Marie's life at the time that the 3rd 'Windrower' was built--this was a while back. Lead in large quantities has always been scarce and expensive in here in The Worker's Paradise, and Tomas needed 2400# for the keel. What to do.......Well, the same things that MANY Californians do for lowered costs on any number of items and services--GO SOUTH.
Tomas found a foundry in (IIRC) Tijuana that would pour 1" x 4" and 2" x 4" ingots in unalloyed lead for about 1/3 the cost of having it done locally (San Diego). WRAP IT UP. Tomas and his son made the trip south on a Sunday morning to pick up the metal. They returned on Sunday late afternoon--the worst possible day to do so--but the time of week where the Ports Of Entry are the busiest--all of those gueros y yanquis heading home for their drywalled death traps on Mossy Brook Circle create a perfectly wonderful cover element for moving all manner of questionable items from South To North. Only in Kalifornistan is a dead metal--Pb--accorded status only two notches below cocaine and methamphetamine as 'Contraband'. "Sal si puedes", indeed.
They got the load across without a glitch. Tomas laid the keel in place with the ingots, and he had a couple 5# buckets of lead sawdust and end pieces. The end pieces were cut very cleanly, dunno how he did that--but he is a handy guy and is a retired shop teacher. He offered me the sawdust and pieces, total yield about 89# of mystery alloy that tested about 6-7 BHn IIRC.
The metal required A GREAT DEAL OF FLUXING.......it's assay included about 12%-15% beach sand. Know this--in Mexico all Americans are simultaneously loved for the wealth they bring South and prized as legitimate prey and deserving victims of scams, rip-offs, and injury/death. They remain pissed about Chapultepec to this day. Caveat emptor maximus!
Marie has an uncle (Tomas) that has done many interesting things over his 80+ years. Among those things are the construction of three sailboats during his life.
I was in Marie's life at the time that the 3rd 'Windrower' was built--this was a while back. Lead in large quantities has always been scarce and expensive in here in The Worker's Paradise, and Tomas needed 2400# for the keel. What to do.......Well, the same things that MANY Californians do for lowered costs on any number of items and services--GO SOUTH.
Tomas found a foundry in (IIRC) Tijuana that would pour 1" x 4" and 2" x 4" ingots in unalloyed lead for about 1/3 the cost of having it done locally (San Diego). WRAP IT UP. Tomas and his son made the trip south on a Sunday morning to pick up the metal. They returned on Sunday late afternoon--the worst possible day to do so--but the time of week where the Ports Of Entry are the busiest--all of those gueros y yanquis heading home for their drywalled death traps on Mossy Brook Circle create a perfectly wonderful cover element for moving all manner of questionable items from South To North. Only in Kalifornistan is a dead metal--Pb--accorded status only two notches below cocaine and methamphetamine as 'Contraband'. "Sal si puedes", indeed.
They got the load across without a glitch. Tomas laid the keel in place with the ingots, and he had a couple 5# buckets of lead sawdust and end pieces. The end pieces were cut very cleanly, dunno how he did that--but he is a handy guy and is a retired shop teacher. He offered me the sawdust and pieces, total yield about 89# of mystery alloy that tested about 6-7 BHn IIRC.
The metal required A GREAT DEAL OF FLUXING.......it's assay included about 12%-15% beach sand. Know this--in Mexico all Americans are simultaneously loved for the wealth they bring South and prized as legitimate prey and deserving victims of scams, rip-offs, and injury/death. They remain pissed about Chapultepec to this day. Caveat emptor maximus!
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RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
The history of the US/Mexico relationship is very complex. The Mexican American War of 1846 -1848 was a thorn for many years, but the Texicans and Califonios were not that upset because they didn't like the government in Mexico City very much anyway.
The killer was when the French invaded Mexico in 1861 to collect the money owed to Napoleon III and French 3rd Empire. After our civil war, we refused to help the Mexicans even thought we still supported the Monroe Doctrine. The US was in debt and could not help the Mexicans at all. So the French raped the country for 10 more years before being paid off.
The killer was when the French invaded Mexico in 1861 to collect the money owed to Napoleon III and French 3rd Empire. After our civil war, we refused to help the Mexicans even thought we still supported the Monroe Doctrine. The US was in debt and could not help the Mexicans at all. So the French raped the country for 10 more years before being paid off.
Ian
Notorious member
Bingo. From our Declaration of Independence:
".....These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by the people of Texas, until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up arms in defence of the national constitution. We appealed to our Mexican brethren for assistance. Our appeal has been made in vain. Though months have elapsed, no sympathetic response has yet been heard from the Interior. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion, that the Mexican people have acquiesced in the destruction of their liberty, and the substitution therfor of a military government; that they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self government.
The necessity of self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal political separation....."
RBHarter
West Central AR
"If history always makes you proud your it's propaganda" , so the woke say .
They deny the Holocaust claiming the Crusades were driven by the Catholic Church and Templars . They conveniently forget the parts about Persians , Moors , and Turks that had pushed across Europe almost to Italy .
Of course white on white doesn't count as genocide until you point out that the Hebrews were also thick across Persia and Northern Africa........ Then I'm forced to play the Native American card .
I'm apparently the only person on the planet that remembers Flip/Geraldine Wilson's bit about the wort on his/her knee .
I find more and more that people only react to the response to events in History without acknowledging the actions that caused the response.
The remark about "Come and take it" and the Alamo was intended as a self depreciation tongue in cheek response in as much as a few months ago when Germany puffed up and promised a whooping to Russia . I was thinking dudes that didn't go really well the last 2 times , besides you're out of Princes to assassinate .
Apologies for the derailment.
They deny the Holocaust claiming the Crusades were driven by the Catholic Church and Templars . They conveniently forget the parts about Persians , Moors , and Turks that had pushed across Europe almost to Italy .
Of course white on white doesn't count as genocide until you point out that the Hebrews were also thick across Persia and Northern Africa........ Then I'm forced to play the Native American card .
I'm apparently the only person on the planet that remembers Flip/Geraldine Wilson's bit about the wort on his/her knee .
I find more and more that people only react to the response to events in History without acknowledging the actions that caused the response.
The remark about "Come and take it" and the Alamo was intended as a self depreciation tongue in cheek response in as much as a few months ago when Germany puffed up and promised a whooping to Russia . I was thinking dudes that didn't go really well the last 2 times , besides you're out of Princes to assassinate .
Apologies for the derailment.
Dusty Bannister
Well-Known Member
Who cut the lines, the sailboat is drifting away?
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I went the other way and sold about 250 pounds of zinc contaminated WW's for a keel maybe 25 years ago. Here in the PNW, we got the first batches of zinc/aluminum/cadmium WW's from Korea and Japan. Folks bought the cars and immediately changed the wheels from factory original and the WW's went into the scrap supply.
The boat builder was very happy to get it, as it was cheap. I had gotten them from a major tire store for a six pack of Coke and a pizza per 5 gallon bucket.
The boat builder was very happy to get it, as it was cheap. I had gotten them from a major tire store for a six pack of Coke and a pizza per 5 gallon bucket.