uncle jimbo
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Thread hijack, I will take a whole box of poison ivy starts if you want to send them to me.
Now back to the original thread.
Now back to the original thread.
Shooting shack construction underway!
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Yep, it is.
The poison oak here will sneak up on you all year round. At one time I thought I was immune till I uprooted some along two sections of fence line by hand. Two days later you'd'a thought I had pulled it while naked . . . yep, had it there, too.
The poison oak here will sneak up on you all year round. At one time I thought I was immune till I uprooted some along two sections of fence line by hand. Two days later you'd'a thought I had pulled it while naked . . . yep, had it there, too.
Ian
Notorious member
Well, I got the rocks all picked out and in place now, so I don't need any of those. Sagebrush I got, and cedar needles are plentiful. Time to check the homestore for 10" saddle copes....and some 14-oz tubes of elbow grease.
Some say the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid in 20 years without iron or the wheel, which works out to one 2.5-ton stone block being cut, hauled, and laid every nine seconds around the clock. It took me five evenings to haul seven 100 to 150 lb rocks all downhill about 150 yards and put them into place by myself...WITH iron and the wheel, and without carving them to shape. I need some of that alien levitation technology.
Some say the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid in 20 years without iron or the wheel, which works out to one 2.5-ton stone block being cut, hauled, and laid every nine seconds around the clock. It took me five evenings to haul seven 100 to 150 lb rocks all downhill about 150 yards and put them into place by myself...WITH iron and the wheel, and without carving them to shape. I need some of that alien levitation technology.
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Pistolero
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Never saw an prefabbed saddle copes. Always had to make them custom, on site. 
Hell the prefabbed are harder to get than round tuits. Plus, I'm bettin' that even if you
get some they'll be the wrong size or left handed when you need a right.
Parallel processing, Ian. There was NOT one crew laying and moving blocks. Think 40 crews
doing it simultaneously. Or a hundred. Throwing manpower at a job is something an
absolute despot CAN do.
Bill
Hell the prefabbed are harder to get than round tuits. Plus, I'm bettin' that even if you
get some they'll be the wrong size or left handed when you need a right.
Parallel processing, Ian. There was NOT one crew laying and moving blocks. Think 40 crews
doing it simultaneously. Or a hundred. Throwing manpower at a job is something an
absolute despot CAN do.
Bill
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Pretty sure the Egyptians also had slave labor. You don’t. Wait, you have you?
What you need is Bruce. The man has your drive and work ethic. He also doesn’t quit and can come up with some pretty neat ways of getting by with what he got.
What you need is Bruce. The man has your drive and work ethic. He also doesn’t quit and can come up with some pretty neat ways of getting by with what he got.
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Ian
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The temple of Balbek. 800 ton blocks of stone cannot be moved and lifted even today.
Another one, this wall of monolithic granite blocks at Ollantaytambo, Peru. The blocks were quarried at the mountain peak in the distance, several miles away as the crow flies. If people did it, they moved the blocks down 5K feet, crossed a river, drug them several miles and then back UP about 4K feet on what is the equivalent of a goat path. Without the wheel. Without log rollers, because the stones would just crush wood anyway. No evidence of any other rollers. There are limits to what human muscle can do, and this is well beyond that.
Another one, this wall of monolithic granite blocks at Ollantaytambo, Peru. The blocks were quarried at the mountain peak in the distance, several miles away as the crow flies. If people did it, they moved the blocks down 5K feet, crossed a river, drug them several miles and then back UP about 4K feet on what is the equivalent of a goat path. Without the wheel. Without log rollers, because the stones would just crush wood anyway. No evidence of any other rollers. There are limits to what human muscle can do, and this is well beyond that.
Pistolero
Well-Known Member
People were as smart then as they are now, just no technology base like we have.
Something I say about shooting that I think applies here, too.
Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean NOBODY can do it.
Lots of slick stuff. Maybe ice and snow ramps used somehow. I don't buy most of the "impossible to do"
claim very much.
I once spent about 2 minutes putting together a team to pick up a Beechcraft Bonanza which had landed gear up
and was blocking a runway. We had a bunch of folks giving kids rides and couldn't stand to have the runway blocked.
Without anything more than me yelling, "Hey, everybody, we need some help over here." and moving a few folks around and showing
them where to lift, we had that airplane in the air, and the owner said, "What now?" I said, "Get in there and put the gear down."
And he did, and we rolled it over to parking. Small potatoes, but it took maybe 35-40 people and about 2 min to organize, another minute
to do.
Give some smart guy "unlimited resources" and maybe a serious religious reason that he wants to accomplish something.....
Just sayin.
Because they didn't have iPads does not mean there weren't lots of REALLY smart folks 5000 years ago.
Something I say about shooting that I think applies here, too.
Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean NOBODY can do it.
Lots of slick stuff. Maybe ice and snow ramps used somehow. I don't buy most of the "impossible to do"
claim very much.
I once spent about 2 minutes putting together a team to pick up a Beechcraft Bonanza which had landed gear up
and was blocking a runway. We had a bunch of folks giving kids rides and couldn't stand to have the runway blocked.
Without anything more than me yelling, "Hey, everybody, we need some help over here." and moving a few folks around and showing
them where to lift, we had that airplane in the air, and the owner said, "What now?" I said, "Get in there and put the gear down."
And he did, and we rolled it over to parking. Small potatoes, but it took maybe 35-40 people and about 2 min to organize, another minute
to do.
Give some smart guy "unlimited resources" and maybe a serious religious reason that he wants to accomplish something.....
Just sayin.
Because they didn't have iPads does not mean there weren't lots of REALLY smart folks 5000 years ago.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
Well, while I believe in the general theory of life on other worlds, I don't believe at all that aliens helped with terrestrial building projects. I would want to exhaust every known terrestrial cause before I would even begin to think that aliens (from outer space) helped build something on Earth. Fun to think of things like that, I've been a sci-fi freak all my life, but I also have a lot more faith in the intelligence of our ancestors and little or no faith in alien interventions.
smokeywolf
Well-Known Member
While not practical in Ian's example above, I think in some of the historic cases of large blocks being moved long distances; the blocks might have been quarried, cut to circular or wheel shapes, moved to the building site, then re-cut to their desired shape.
Instead of putting wheels under the block, make the block a wheel.
Instead of putting wheels under the block, make the block a wheel.
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Yep, I believe there is life out there also. Many billions of stars with planets around most of them, pretty small minded in my mind to think we are alone. Does that mean I think they are flying around here in little saucers crashing in the New Mexico desert? No, not hardly. If they have the technology to get here it would be more along the lines of Star Trek where sensors and technology would tell them everything they wanted to know about us and do it from far enough away we would have no idea they are there. No need to crash in the desert.
Ian
Notorious member
Yeah, 'cuz they cut basalt and andesite with copper tools. How you gonna move 80 tons a mile and a half, Bill, HOW? How you gonna get 35 tons up a goat path straight up a sheer cliffside? You can't do it today. How'd they do it 10,000 years ago?
A certain group at a certain time was using exactly the same technology around the world....observe this photo and tell me where you think it is:
I'm not saying it was alien technology, but in many ways that is the simplest explanation.
A certain group at a certain time was using exactly the same technology around the world....observe this photo and tell me where you think it is:
I'm not saying it was alien technology, but in many ways that is the simplest explanation.
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