richhodg66
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I picked a pound of Enforcer a few days ago and coincidentally, a new to me .44. I'll give the stuff a try, but I'm really interested in how it substitutes for 3400 in cast rifle loads.
For modest loads in .30-30, .30-40, and .30-'06. 150 to 210 grain with GC.
Given the success with 2400 with these types of loads, is there anything else that comes close? Or should I be patient and wait until it returns?
Same. Also WC-244 in lieu of Unique or Red Dot for mild rifle loads.I picked a pound of Enforcer a few days ago and coincidentally, a new to me .44. I'll give the stuff a try, but I'm really interested in how it substitutes for 3400 in cast rifle loads.
I have plenty of Unique, need to try this American select when I get a chance too.
Don't have a cast bullet manual in front of me, but those numbers for 340 sure look about what 2400 would be like.Looking to replace 2400 when it was very scarce, I contacted VihtaVuori for their suggestion. This is my request in Bold and their reply below the line. Note their concern in my original request for N-110 with the low fill ratio and their concern for detonation. I've bought two pounds of N340 and will soon be testing it for in the coming weeks.
"Do you have the ability to calculate an equivalent load using N-110 in .30-'06 to my current load using 18.0 grains Alliant 2400 and a 205-grain cast (linotype alloy) bullet? This would be about 1600 feet-per-second since we are only punching paper at 100 and 200 yards. I'm using this load in the Cast Bullet Association Military Rifle competition and would like to switch to VihtaVuori powder as I find it more consistent. I'm currently using 24.5 grains of N-135 in .308 Winchester with a 205-grain bullet in both a Remington 700 VLS and a Savage 12BVSS with great success."
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This is their reply.
"Thank you for getting back with us. We are hesitant to do this due to the very low fill ratio that would need to be used and this brings in concerns for the potential of a detonation condition. For getting to these lower velocities, we would actually recommend using N340 as a better choice for use with these velocities.
"We are glad to forward our unpublished VihtaVuori Load Data for use with the .30-06 Springfield using the Lyman 311299 LRNGC 205gr bullet with our line of VihtaVuori powders".
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I have never used VihtaVuori powders before, but this kind of customer service makes me want to.Looking to replace 2400 when it was very scarce, I contacted VihtaVuori for their suggestion. This is my request in Bold and their reply below the line. Note their concern in my original request for N-110 with the low fill ratio and their concern for detonation. I've bought two pounds of N340 and will soon be testing it for in the coming weeks.
"Do you have the ability to calculate an equivalent load using N-110 in .30-'06 to my current load using 18.0 grains Alliant 2400 and a 205-grain cast (linotype alloy) bullet? This would be about 1600 feet-per-second since we are only punching paper at 100 and 200 yards. I'm using this load in the Cast Bullet Association Military Rifle competition and would like to switch to VihtaVuori powder as I find it more consistent. I'm currently using 24.5 grains of N-135 in .308 Winchester with a 205-grain bullet in both a Remington 700 VLS and a Savage 12BVSS with great success."
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This is their reply.
"Thank you for getting back with us. We are hesitant to do this due to the very low fill ratio that would need to be used and this brings in concerns for the potential of a detonation condition. For getting to these lower velocities, we would actually recommend using N340 as a better choice for use with these velocities.
"We are glad to forward our unpublished VihtaVuori Load Data for use with the .30-06 Springfield using the Lyman 311299 LRNGC 205gr bullet with our line of VihtaVuori powders".
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yesterday, when I found this PDF, I was actually looking for a paper copy of a VV manual, paper is my preference. Boy they aren't cheap, I guess they are kinda rare in the US? I don't recall ever seeing one at a gunshow, but then like Rick H said, VV powders weren't on my radar either back then.I found a online PDF for their load data portion only, of their 2002 reloading manual.
I concur, price is a consideration. Another definition of the CBA is Cheap Bullet Association. Cast bullets give more bang for the buck. I started shooting cast bullets when I bought a Marlin 1895 .45-70 and grew when I had a severe concussion in 1983. The recoil from standard jacketed loads brought on severe headaches. Cast loads were far less recoil.They USED to cost twice that of IMR, Hodgdon, WW, or Alliant. With the insane across the board increase in powder prices VV powders look more reasonable. I'm in no hurry to change over, but they are now on my radar.