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CZ93X62

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Butter--yes, in moderation. Margarine? not a chance, that stuff is awful. Mayo? Yes, in moderation. Miracle Whip will gag maggots.

The largest and most extensive argument/discussion/consciousness-raising in my relationship with Marie occurred during its first month. I had Marie and her girls come over to my house for brunch on a Saturday when 2 of my 4 girls were staying with me. The kids were already thick as thieves by this time, which was a great joy to my heart and to Marie's.

Then I got out the Crisco shortening to pan-fry the eggs with.

Marie--"Ahi, HALTO! FULL STOP!"

Me--"Uh, what?"

Marie--"Do you have butter or olive oil?"

Sara, Marie's older daughter--"Here it comes, this is the good part!" All 4 girls were suppressing giggles--poorly.

Me--"Yeah, there's butter in the fridge."

Marie--"Oh, good! Here, let me help."

What followed was most instructive. Shortening was UNHEARD OF in Marie's world. There is butter, and there is olive oil. The End. She liked my year-old T-Fal cookware, and the way I slow-fried and scrambled the eggs in butter passed muster as well. The kids chowed down on waffles, eggs,, sausage, and bacon, then we joined them mid-chow-down with banter and savage humor that has become de rigeur anytime we get together with the kids. Breakfast at least once during a visit MUST include waffles, and I must make them.

I was pretty smitten with Marie by that time, and in about 8 months we were married. My largest life's regret was not having found Marie 20 years sooner than I did.

 

Mitty38

Shatterpated Constituent
I am down to 30 or so 209's and a half pound of FFF Been shooting the Black powder a bit.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
dang Don I'm digging deep into the recesses for those.
I have some Alcan-5 and a few boxes of Alcan wad's, but IIRC there was something different in their primer dimensions.
could you measure one or two of them for me?
mainly the part that pushes up in the hull at the top and bottom.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Mitty as a geewizz ........I was well read on the 209 variants about the time the FC 209A became not a thing and read just enough to get in trouble about the ML209 . Have you tried any ML209 in BP loads ?

My understanding was that they burned longer with more flash and pressures about the same as CCI 209 .......

For those not in the shotguns in a 12 ga 1-1/4 oz there were demonstrated loads where the 209A would jump pressure 10k over a W209 Win . Not a big deal if you have a 8000 psi trap load in a 3-1/2" BPS but no good comes with a 12,000 psi 3" 1-1/8oz of steel ....
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
True love is when and where you find it. Dumped my three high school girlfriends when an new girl moved to town. We hit it off and will be married 55 years in November. The question always is; Is this the one? When you find her, don't wait, make the relationship work.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I think I have another is storage from my son, 30 years ago. Want me to look?

Sure! If you find it and want to sell it, make me an offer. I fly fish with the rod in my left hand and spincasting feels better that way too. The bail spring broke on mine (weak link on all of them) and I've kept making new ones out of piano wire for nearly 40 years which of course rusts and breaks the next year. Need to find some SS spring wire.
 

obssd1958

Active Member
fiver,
You're right about the size. I thought I could use them up if I ever started shooting shotgun again, but then did a little research and found that the 57 primer is too small to stay in the pocket of modern hulls. They were made specifically to fit the old Remington hulls, and I haven't found any of those yet! I also thought that they might be an answer to cast bullet loads in Berdan primed brass - drill a small hole all the way through the primer pocket and then open up the outside of the pocket just big enough to use the size 57 primer.
Anyway, a CCI 209 measures @ .240 just above the flange, and the 57 measures @ .230
If you're into throwing the hulls away, here's an idea to make the 57 work in modern hulls: https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=328550&page=1
or if you're feeling masochistic, you could use them again after making this mod...
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
As much as I love tradition, I got a history lesson this week while fishing with my buddy. My friend used to "fish" many years ago, like a lot of guys. They'd go once in a great while without high expectations. I started fishing with my Dad at age 3 and have fished with some intensity ever since.

My friend called me during the week and asked me what line he should put on his two reels. I suggested 8# test mono. So he bought a spool of 8# fluorocarbon line and filled a reel on a rig his son had bought many years ago and put the remainder on his 48 year old Mitchell 300. Both rods turned out to be tubular glass, medium slow action, with chrome plated stainless steel guides. I took one look at the Mitchell and saw it was only half full of line. I told Jimmy he was going to have trouble casting. He thought he'd be fine. I explained that the drag on the line from that deep in the spool going over the lip was going to cause him grief and furthermore it would exacerbate the already slow retrieve rate of the Mitchell.

Jimmy hated the rig his son had bought, an inexpensive Shakespeare combo with a trigger gadget to open the bail and preferred to use his old Mitchell reel and Conolon rod. A further complication arose when I realized his Mitchell's reel head rotated the opposite direction of all contemporary reels and you therefore cannot "feather" the line as it comes of the spool to control the distance of your cast. I hate one such abomination years ago and learned to use my left hand to control the line when I cast, but it was awkward and annoying. The whole idea of feathering your line was foreign to Jimmy and he endured 3 days of, well, inelegant casts.

I started casting when I was 6 with an already ancient level wind bait casting reel with no free spool and black braided line on a 4 1/2' hexagonal steel rod painted yellow with fake agate guides. When my Dad found me a used Bantam Com-Pac ultra light reel with 4# line and a 5' tubular glass ultra light rod I was delighted and quickly started out fishing all of the adults Dad and I ran into on our outings. Dad also ran a UL rig and we used small spinners from France I think were called Veltecs. Also any small spoons we could find and balsa wood Rapalas that could not be cast at all with the conventional bait casting gear of the time. Lead head jigs with hair dressing such as the yellow haired "Doll Fly" and "Pinky Jig" were dressed with Polar bear hair and were deadly but largely ignored by local fishermen for a long time, as they had no built in "action".

The last day Jimmy and I slammed the white bass he used a 6'9" graphite rod of mine with a Pfluger President reel and 15# Suffix braid. The rod was a Cabela's Bargain Cave refugee, and I am in no way a rod and reel snob. That rig is at least 12 years old and I have several set up similarly. I loathe the fact that American branded companies are forced by the vagaries of the economy to out source the manufacture of their wares to China. Comrades Wu and Han are not the benign friends of the West and will settle for nothing less than global domination. That said, the Pfluger line of reels along with Okuma, Diawa, and several others, feature multiple ball bearings, smooth running drags, and excellent durability. Sadly, performance wise they leave those fine old Mitchells in the dust.
 

BliksemE300

Active Member
True love is when and where you find it. Dumped my three high school girlfriends when an new girl moved to town. We hit it off and will be married 55 years in November. The question always is; Is this the one? When you find her, don't wait, make the relationship work.
It has been said that if a man marries a good woman he is complete. On the other hand, if she is not a good woman he is finished.

It took me 3 tries to be complete...
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
43 years of happiness and peace for me. Since the divorce that is. Much too soon to jump back into that again.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
How much should a fella pay for some Cedar logs? (the red center and aromatic type).

While watching FB market place, I see some crazy prices being asked for chunks of Cedar.
Then I seen an ad for freshly cut Cedar logs (location not to far away-Mankato), one was 12' long, it is 14" Dia at base and 5" Dia at tips ...there is a crotch midway with two smaller twisted 5" tips, the bottom portion has a curve to it, which makes it undesirable for someone to make boards from...So I offered $20 and mentioned I was a turner. Did I just insult him?
He had a couple others that were straight, so I didn't make an offer, figured I'd look at them if he bit on my offer for the corkscrew log.
Photo looked like they were sitting at the end of a Farmer's driveway...and not some logging operation. they had red paint, like maybe they were taken for road re-construction...which has been a common theme in MN lately.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
if your desperate you can sit and cut little pieces of drinking straws and slip them over the end of the 57 size primers, then use them in the federal top gun hulls that have the paper base wad, or in the Remington gun club hulls.
those Remington G/C's have a tight plastic disc that's undersized some up at the top near where the flash hole sits, and will hold the whole pile together some better.
 

Mitty38

Shatterpated Constituent
Mitty as a geewizz ........I was well read on the 209 variants about the time the FC 209A became not a thing and read just enough to get in trouble about the ML209 . Have you tried any ML209 in BP loads ?

My understanding was that they burned longer with more flash and pressures about the same as CCI 209 .......

For those not in the shotguns in a 12 ga 1-1/4 oz there were demonstrated loads where the 209A would jump pressure 10k over a W209 Win . Not a big deal if you have a 8000 psi trap load in a 3-1/2" BPS but no good comes with a 12,000 psi 3" 1-1/8oz of steel ....
As far as shot she'll loads and primer fired muzzle loaders Alike I have only used Remington 209 r and Remington 209sts.
Been so long since I have loaded up any shot shells with black powder And did that on my uncle's press with his help years ago. Have a bunch left. Think I loaded them up with FF Pyrodex. Thing it is the shells tend to melt a bit and it leave a mess to clean. Pluss it seams very corosive if you do not clean it well. Definatly reserved for a single shot.
But I have been playing with my stainless steel Rifle. and my old muzzle loading shot gun, in which I converted the nipple and hammer to take 209 primers. Pyrodex vs Black horn 209.
So far Pyrodex seems more accurate, all around.

But Black Horn seems to be a lot cleaner.
 
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