What Did You Shoot Today?
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
I don't own a chronograph, but here's Lyman's 3rd and 4th Cast Bullet Handbook data.Any Herco velocity numbers ?
Mom's OM might get a little work out.
RBHarter
West Central AR
If memory serves I think I was running 5.5 and 6.5 for 38 and 357 Unique . I have so little 357 brass and so much factory 38 it hasn't even been a thought in too long .
I recently picked up a set of "anti knuckle buster" Grips for the Sec 6 which will put full throttle 357 back on the plate for it .
Interesting that Unique isn't listed but Herco is in the later book and that it still shows the "hot" 46,000 CUP data not the "lawyered up" 35kpsi data . . Made more interesting by the fact that the data didn't actually change enough to matter .
I bet the Herco is just as flashy as Unique .
I recently picked up a set of "anti knuckle buster" Grips for the Sec 6 which will put full throttle 357 back on the plate for it .
Interesting that Unique isn't listed but Herco is in the later book and that it still shows the "hot" 46,000 CUP data not the "lawyered up" 35kpsi data .
. Made more interesting by the fact that the data didn't actually change enough to matter . I bet the Herco is just as flashy as Unique .
Snakeoil
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Well, more of a what you gonna shoot tomorrow post than shot today post. Competing in my first Palma Match. Will be shooting F/O class using my buddy's 6mmBR. Match is 2 days, 15 rounds at 800, 900, and 1000 yds. Unlimited sighters at 800 and then 2 sighters at the other two yardages. Second day is just a repeat of the first day. Shooting with a good friend of my regular shooting partner and he has a mega-buck SEB rest that he told me I could use. This will be my dipping of the toe into the water to see if I like it. I started loading ammo for the match yesterday and it took me hours to load 65 rounds, measuring each powder charge, which is 29.4 gr of H4895. I have to do the rest today and am not looking forward to it. I'm not wired for slow methodical, repetitious stuff like this. That damn powder does not flow well in my Uniflow and occasionally bridges. So, each charged gets dumped in a pan, weighed, powder added or removed and then poured into a case. And I had to machine a funnel small enough to fit the 6mm case. I always knew that precision rifle shooters were a unique bunch. I'm getting a better understanding by walking a mile in their shoes.
Snakeoil
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Yeah. I have seen those. My shooting partner has a custom built measure of similar design. If the match lights my fire, something like that will be added to my equipment cabinet. This weekend will tell the story.
glassparman
"OK, OK, I'm going as fast as I don't want to go!"
I decided to throw a few rounds through my Turkish converted Gewehr 88 commission rifle. I've had it for years and never shot it. I slugged the barrel first to ensure it had a .323 bore even though there was a big S stamped on it.
I loaded the bottom of the load data for a 150 gr bullet.
It shot real nice and accurate.
Mike
I loaded the bottom of the load data for a 150 gr bullet.
It shot real nice and accurate.
Mike
Snakeoil
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My understanding is .32 cal is about the point where you don't need a gas check if you are not shooting full power loads. If you keep that around 1400-1450 fps, I think you could get away with a plain base bullet. If it were mine, I'd start with 0.002 over groove diameter and NRA 50/50 lube.
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
It was dueling lever action rifles, at 150 paces, this morning. Uberti .38 Special 1866 sporting rifle with Lee's
358-158 RF and various amounts of 2400, and the Rossi/EMF .357 sporting rifle with the same bullet and
13.5-grains of 2400. I'm not going to post the Rossi/EMF's patterns. Maybe I shouldn't've cleaned its barrel . . .
Below is the Uberti's best cast load with 8.3-grains of 2400. Also, I took an odd three rounds consisting of Sierra's 125-grainer and 5.1-grains of SR 7625, and got a flukish three-shot .068" East/West X .153" North/South cloverleaf. I must've had my eyes closed, because my cluttered vision and semi-buckhorn iron sights are definitely not compatible enough to produce such a group.
Before I shot the Sierra bullets, I covered the five cast-made holes with masking tape, but removed it for the photograph.
358-158 RF and various amounts of 2400, and the Rossi/EMF .357 sporting rifle with the same bullet and
13.5-grains of 2400. I'm not going to post the Rossi/EMF's patterns. Maybe I shouldn't've cleaned its barrel . . .
Below is the Uberti's best cast load with 8.3-grains of 2400. Also, I took an odd three rounds consisting of Sierra's 125-grainer and 5.1-grains of SR 7625, and got a flukish three-shot .068" East/West X .153" North/South cloverleaf. I must've had my eyes closed, because my cluttered vision and semi-buckhorn iron sights are definitely not compatible enough to produce such a group.
Before I shot the Sierra bullets, I covered the five cast-made holes with masking tape, but removed it for the photograph.
glassparman
"OK, OK, I'm going as fast as I don't want to go!"
Finally took out one of the only two Black guns I have.
An AR platform, 6.5 Grendel with 20" barrel that I have never fired since I built it. Got the scope dialed in and set to 100 yards. Next time I'll get it rigged for 200 yards. Nice shooting rifle and I think the only AR style rifle I have shot in many years.
This was the first day in months that the Mojave wind was not blowing. The weather report said 1-2 mph around 8am. I was ready with the truck loaded!
Mike
An AR platform, 6.5 Grendel with 20" barrel that I have never fired since I built it. Got the scope dialed in and set to 100 yards. Next time I'll get it rigged for 200 yards. Nice shooting rifle and I think the only AR style rifle I have shot in many years.
This was the first day in months that the Mojave wind was not blowing. The weather report said 1-2 mph around 8am. I was ready with the truck loaded!
Mike
glassparman
"OK, OK, I'm going as fast as I don't want to go!"
Yeah I was shooting jacketed bullets from pulled down Canadian surplus.
They stamped a large S on it to indicate it was converted to 7.92x57 by means of a new barrel. The bore slugged at .324 which is fine for a plinking gun.
I just went easy because even though the Turks reworked these things in the 30's. The receiver is still from the late 1800's. Just wanted to be nice to the old gal, ya never know what they have been through.
Mike
Mitty38
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Took my 450 bushmaster and me 16 inch .223 upper to the range today Had to sight the Crossfire 3x12x44 scope in on the 450 Bushmaster.
Put a true glow red dot on My 16 inch .223 because it is just going to be a short range toy now.
That Bushmaster upper has a kind of sneaky kick. Firm but not too bad. Then after 9 rounds your like hmmm my shoulder hurts. I'm done.
Surprised me, holes touching accuracy.
Well that's done now. Going to clean it up and put it back for deer season and start slowly gathering up what I need to load it with.
$2 a trigger pull for Hornady Black. So we're saving the rest for hunting. Last round hold open does not work with the450 BM, but I can live with that.
Got the .233 sighted in and did some moving drills. I call them moving drills, cause this fat man does not run.
It will do for a play toy. Used my Cast, slick side, plain base, PC, 3 inch moa loads. Good enough to have fun with playing around at 25 yards and under.
So need to load up another 80 rounds for the .233.
Put a true glow red dot on My 16 inch .223 because it is just going to be a short range toy now.
That Bushmaster upper has a kind of sneaky kick. Firm but not too bad. Then after 9 rounds your like hmmm my shoulder hurts. I'm done.
Surprised me, holes touching accuracy.
Well that's done now. Going to clean it up and put it back for deer season and start slowly gathering up what I need to load it with.
$2 a trigger pull for Hornady Black. So we're saving the rest for hunting. Last round hold open does not work with the450 BM, but I can live with that.
Got the .233 sighted in and did some moving drills. I call them moving drills, cause this fat man does not run.
It will do for a play toy. Used my Cast, slick side, plain base, PC, 3 inch moa loads. Good enough to have fun with playing around at 25 yards and under.
So need to load up another 80 rounds for the .233.
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Snakeoil
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2=day Palma match where I shot F-Class for the first time was more of an adventure than a shoot. Never saw so many SEB rests in one spot before. It's almost like a right of passage to shoot F-Class. Some nice eye-candy too, in the form or rifles. Jim Hart of Hart barrels was shooting and another shooter had a rifle that Jim just finished. Real wood stocks, but with laminated cores. The rifle the other shooter was shooting had a curly maple fore end and some dark figured, looked like burl, stock. Told the guy he could miss all day and still look good. He agreed. The rifle Jim was shooting had a similar stock only with a machined and polished aluminum plate that wrapped around the sides of the fore end. I never got a chance to look at it closely.
Weather was brutal on Sat. If we did not set records in the area that day, we got damn close. Temps in the 80's and killer humidity. I had jeans on and they were like the pants version of a straight jacket. Black cap, red shirt and jeans... I cooked. Shorts, white shirt and white had made today much more pleasant. Temps were better today, but humidity was up as it rained last night.
As for my performance, my goal was to not come in last. There were 39 shooters on the line. They were shooting Palma (iron sights/sling), Anyany ( any gun, any caliber, any sights) also shot with a glove and a sling. Then there were the F/TR (bipod .308 or .223) and F/O (rest and any caliber). I shot a borrowed 6mm BR in F/O.
Course of fire was unlimited sighters at 800 yds and then 15 rounds for score. 22 minutes. Then 2 sighters at 900 and 15 for score. Last was 2 sighters at 1000 and 15 for score. Second day was a repeat of the first.
My first relay on the first day at 800 was a major ego boost. I shot 149-10X. I was shooting off a friend's SEB Neo rest rather than my $75 Caldwell POS. I have to say that I think I was amazed as the guys I was shooting with. But humility was right around the corner. I shot a 120 at 900 and a 132 at 1000. Conditions were tough for those two yardages and I watch experienced shooters struggle. So, I did not feel too bad. Today, I decided to shoot off my Caldwell. I shot at 139 1X at 800, 140 at 900 and 132 1X at 1000. Conditions were a little better because we got a late start yesterday and the sun was higher and drove some serious mirage. So my aggregate was 812/900 -12X.
Did not meet a single shooter that I did not like. Great bunch of folks. Lots of gray hair. But no shortage of working age folks either. In spite of the weather trying to kill me and the other shooters, I had a good time. I have not shot any prone in years and my back ain't what it used to be.
So, I still need to decide if I need another shooting sport. The two guys I shoot with both have Autotricklers for loading. That's about $1000 in power measuring equipment. But if you are going to do this regularly, (Ian hinted at this when he suggested a Chargemaster), it's mandatory unless you have nothing else to do and are not bothered by boring, repetitive and tedious activities. Then there is the rest. The SEB is around $1800. SEB makes others that are a bit less. The joystick for fine adjustment does make life much easier. I might make a joystick top for my Caldwell. Shadetree makes one for it as well. The rifle... well, that's the real commitment. My partner Steve is trying to get me to build my own. I have to admit, it would be fun. But my concern is my experience and knowledge level on what is required is minimal. The machine work is not the challenge. It is what and how to machine it that resides in the brains of the experts like Jim Hart. We'll see. In the meantime, I have a few ideas for mods to Steves 6BR that might remove a few of the challenges I have to deal with while shooting.
Here's a couple of picks. Took these from the 1000 yd firing line. We were on the 1st and 2nd relays. The guys shooting were on the 3rd or 4th.
Here is the view from the 1000 yd firing line to the targets. You can see the giant numbers over every target but you can't see the targets, which are below them. There is berm between the numbers and the targets. There are 15 shooting points at Forbes.
Weather was brutal on Sat. If we did not set records in the area that day, we got damn close. Temps in the 80's and killer humidity. I had jeans on and they were like the pants version of a straight jacket. Black cap, red shirt and jeans... I cooked. Shorts, white shirt and white had made today much more pleasant. Temps were better today, but humidity was up as it rained last night.
As for my performance, my goal was to not come in last. There were 39 shooters on the line. They were shooting Palma (iron sights/sling), Anyany ( any gun, any caliber, any sights) also shot with a glove and a sling. Then there were the F/TR (bipod .308 or .223) and F/O (rest and any caliber). I shot a borrowed 6mm BR in F/O.
Course of fire was unlimited sighters at 800 yds and then 15 rounds for score. 22 minutes. Then 2 sighters at 900 and 15 for score. Last was 2 sighters at 1000 and 15 for score. Second day was a repeat of the first.
My first relay on the first day at 800 was a major ego boost. I shot 149-10X. I was shooting off a friend's SEB Neo rest rather than my $75 Caldwell POS. I have to say that I think I was amazed as the guys I was shooting with. But humility was right around the corner. I shot a 120 at 900 and a 132 at 1000. Conditions were tough for those two yardages and I watch experienced shooters struggle. So, I did not feel too bad. Today, I decided to shoot off my Caldwell. I shot at 139 1X at 800, 140 at 900 and 132 1X at 1000. Conditions were a little better because we got a late start yesterday and the sun was higher and drove some serious mirage. So my aggregate was 812/900 -12X.
Did not meet a single shooter that I did not like. Great bunch of folks. Lots of gray hair. But no shortage of working age folks either. In spite of the weather trying to kill me and the other shooters, I had a good time. I have not shot any prone in years and my back ain't what it used to be.
So, I still need to decide if I need another shooting sport. The two guys I shoot with both have Autotricklers for loading. That's about $1000 in power measuring equipment. But if you are going to do this regularly, (Ian hinted at this when he suggested a Chargemaster), it's mandatory unless you have nothing else to do and are not bothered by boring, repetitive and tedious activities. Then there is the rest. The SEB is around $1800. SEB makes others that are a bit less. The joystick for fine adjustment does make life much easier. I might make a joystick top for my Caldwell. Shadetree makes one for it as well. The rifle... well, that's the real commitment. My partner Steve is trying to get me to build my own. I have to admit, it would be fun. But my concern is my experience and knowledge level on what is required is minimal. The machine work is not the challenge. It is what and how to machine it that resides in the brains of the experts like Jim Hart. We'll see. In the meantime, I have a few ideas for mods to Steves 6BR that might remove a few of the challenges I have to deal with while shooting.
Here's a couple of picks. Took these from the 1000 yd firing line. We were on the 1st and 2nd relays. The guys shooting were on the 3rd or 4th.
Here is the view from the 1000 yd firing line to the targets. You can see the giant numbers over every target but you can't see the targets, which are below them. There is berm between the numbers and the targets. There are 15 shooting points at Forbes.