223 with cast bullets??

CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

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Last year I was looking at two NOE molds for 223 use. I had tried some 68/69g jacketed bullets and was astounded at accuracy with multiple powders.
Heaviest I had used was 65 and then mostly 60/62g. Anyhow. I had some 77's and tried them. WOAH!! I found limits of my 1:9 twist. All my 223/556 are 1:9 sans one ol Savage 24 thats 1:14. So when looking @ those NOE molds I choose the 65 over the "better looking" 75 for fear of stability problems.

Well two internet buddys bought the 75g. One guy is a zincer so wanted it in steel for zinc casting. I have some bullets but have not yet shot them. He has excellent results in 1:9.
Second guy is shooting them in lead and working loads with H335. He has a couple videos of progress and it getting about 1" groups. Fine stability.

As BAD as my experience with those 77's Im surprised these 75's shoot so well. But looking at them they do have a short bearing surface and long nose.

CW
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
You know the 260-120 that's actually dropping 124-5 gr is the same length as the 100 gr Sierra Game King ........ That's why we get away with things like a 62 gr bullet in a 1-14" 222 it doesn't happen with a jacket.
 
CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

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RBHarter said:
You know the 260-120 that's actually dropping 124-5 gr is the same length as the 100 gr Sierra Game King ........ That's why we get away with things like a 62 gr bullet in a 1-14" 222 it doesn't happen with a jacket.
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That 65g is a great shooter in my 1:14 222 Savage 24!!
 
johnnyjr

johnnyjr

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Just picked up another 223 savage 110. It has a 9.5 twist. Checked it 3 times. What bullets do you think will be good to use.
 
Ian

Ian

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redial said:
I'm low-node as well. The RCBS 56gr works quite well at 50 yards in fast twist 223 and 22-250 but isn't accurate enough at 100 when practicing the Prone SF stage of the Nat'l Match course. 300 yards ain't happening with my loads at 1700, tops.
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Follow my recipe and 68.5 grains at upper 2700s and 55 grains at just over 3000 is easy for 1.5 MOA, and that's from a rifle that won't do better than that with any jacketed bullet I've tried.
 
johnnyjr

johnnyjr

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300BLK said:
I would try the RCBS 22-55 or NOE's 22-60 Saeco clone, or NOE 225-72 if you plan to powder coat.
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I will probably just use regular lube and gas checks. Wondering what would be the best alloy to use. Tried Lyman no. 2 but don't think it has to be that hard for low node.. what do you think..
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
johnnyjr said:
I will probably just use regular lube and gas checks. Wondering what would be the best alloy to use. Tried Lyman no. 2 but don't think it has to be that hard for low node.. what do you think..
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Regarding the part about "don't think it has to be that hard for low node":

My favored load for my 222 hits 1840 fps using air-cooled wheel weights, home-made aluminum gas-checks and tumble-lubed. I'm thinking that
is a fair bit faster than "low-node" and I get no leading and very good accuracy. The bullets (LEE 22555) I have been able to actually find in the back-stop look like little mushroom caps without the stem.

I also think t hat with low-node shooting, SOFTER often seems to be BETTER - generally speaking.
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

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I have had good outcomes from my 24--25--and 26 caliber rifle casting antics.

I cannot claim similar results from the 22s.....yet.

22 Hornet has shown some promise with Lyman #225438--2400 powder--and Rem #6-1/2 Primers. For my next trick I plan to try CCI # 550s in place of the unobtainium #6-1/2s and see if good things result.

22-250.......#225438 and RCBS #22-55-SP do all right so far, the 1-12" twists in my 2 rifles keep things flying straight to about 1900-2000 FPS, and rat-accurate to 200 yards. I see definite possibilities here using 2400, IMR-4198, and RL-7, but more shooting is needed to make definitive statements.

223.......one step forward, two steps back, A LOT. 3 of these in the safe, 2 in 1-9" and 1 in 1-8". #225438 is a fuggetaboutit, RCBS 22-55-SP does better but not great. Maybe that 67 grain design mentioned above is an option worth a look.
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

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Oh, what the heck--I just ordered a 4-banger NOE 22-067-A5 GC mould and top punch. I am feeling better and getting back into shooting and shop stuff again. Maybe I can get the 223s to behave themselves after all. Wasting primers on inaccurate loads is annoying.
 
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300BLK

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I think there is more latitude in hardness with powder coated, but my bullets are at least as hard as Lyman #2.
johnnyjr said:
I will probably just use regular lube and gas checks. Wondering what would be the best alloy to use. Tried Lyman no. 2 but don't think it has to be that hard for low node.. what do you think..
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I don't generally shoot that low speed, but 15bhn can shoot there by adjusting powder/charge.
 
Ian

Ian

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300BLK said:
I think there is more latitude in hardness with powder coated, but my bullets are at least as hard as Lyman #2.

I don't generally shoot that low speed, but 15bhn can shoot there by adjusting powder/charge.
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Yep and yep.
 
CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

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IMG_4445.jpeg61514736989__10C1B299-A77B-49FE-A030-66566E69D765.jpegI really need ta finish my 340 in Hornet.

Im stumbling on final head space doing shade tree and I know Im REAL close but having troubles with extraction. That cone style breech and spring ejector are not playing well. I assumed as I got closer to final HS it would magically work.

I have fired it half doz times and cased will not eject but EASILY push out with a rod. I really think my finger nail could flick out if my finger fit in ejection port.

Then Ill need to stock it i have a few stocks to make it work. I have factory stock too, but barrel is 1 1/4" straight taper to 1" approx 26" long. I am also
making it a single feed/shot.

My Savage 24 222 is a laser with a old 63g Lyman gc bullet. I was SHOCKED when I stumbled on the "lo node" loading. Of about 1400 fps. Just stacks the bullets.

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My 'tender Bee likes this little Lyman 225450 in lino GC. I remember its a "hot" load but dont remember specs.

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johnnyjr

johnnyjr

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CWLONGSHOT said:
View attachment 38339View attachment 38338I really need ta finish my 340 in Hornet.

Im stumbling on final head space doing shade tree and I know Im REAL close but having troubles with extraction. That cone style breech and spring ejector are not playing well. I assumed as I got closer to final HS it would magically work.

I have fired it half doz times and cased will not eject but EASILY push out with a rod. I really think my finger nail could flick out if my finger fit in ejection port.

Then Ill need to stock it i have a few stocks to make it work. I have factory stock too, but barrel is 1 1/4" straight taper to 1" approx 26" long. I am also
making it a single feed/shot.

My Savage 24 222 is a laser with a old 63g Lyman gc bullet. I was SHOCKED when I stumbled on the "lo node" loading. Of about 1400 fps. Just stacks the bullets.

(Pics here)
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My 'tender Bee likes this little Lyman 225450 in lino GC. I remember its a "hot" load but dont remember specs.

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I find that powder really dirty. But I'm shooting light loads with it..
 
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Billy G

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Josh said:
Fourthly, don't use any NOE bore rifer designs or you'll have issues just like your 243 issues.
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What is wrong NOE bore riders. I bought the 311=152SP-LT. It is a nose rider. Can I expect problems with it. It is a very sharp pointed bullet.
 
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