6 Cav. Lee Tumble Lube .311 165 gr. RF Mould

Rally Hess

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I hope you do better with that mould than I did Ben. I've got the old RD in a RG4 and this mould. My rifle (336 SS .30-30) shoots the old style way better than the new style. I sent a PM to RD on the NOE site and he confirmed the newer style was designed for the Marlins, but evidently not mine.
 

JWFilips

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It is awesome in my Savage 340 30-30

waco:
I have found the same in my Savage 340! I plain based one of my 2 cavities Via Ben's Method and it is an excellent light load shooter!
The gas checked version is very accurate with 14 grains 2400 also. I like the NOE improvement of regular lube grooves along with a better "Hammer" nose design!
As these bullets shoot great in my Marlin 336!
 

oscarflytyer

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Apparently Mike made a version of his with regular lube grooves. That is the one I bought from Ian, yet to arrive. I also got a TL design on the mail today. Curious to see the diff. I will prob keep the TL ver as I don't have a lube sizer and use Ben's 60/40. (I do pan lube occassionally...)

Also have a 308, 2x 300 Savages and a 30-06 I might try it in.
 

Rally Hess

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311-165 with bullets.JPG different 311-165 moulds.JPG

Here are the two 311-165-RF-RD moulds. The brass is a RG4 and the aluminum is standard. I was told the brass style was the original and I believe I got the last one in stock at the time. I'm glad I did, because my rifle likes it better than the new one. Sorry for the poor pictures but you can kinda get an idea of the shape of the two bullets. The moulds are marked the same.

Waco,
What is your mould marked? Reason I ask is that one of the RD's was suppose to work better in the Marlins and one in the older Winchesters.
 
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Ian

Notorious member
The mould I sold to Oscarflytyer is exactly like the one Ben started this thread about, except it has three standard grooves instead of the microbands. These were all made by Lee Precision, back before Ranch Dog closed shop. Michael only made one run of the standard lube groove version with the stepped, short nose like this before he closed. Demand for standard groove versions of any of his designs were very low which is why he made so few runs of any of this designs that way. In my mind, if it wasn't made by Lee and inspected by Michael Reamy himself, it ain't a "Ranch Dog" mould. He really held Lee's feet to the fire of quality.

After NOE started running a few designs, I don't know what went on. I'm not sure if the group buy designs were made by Michael, semi-close copies, or what. I do know that he started participating in the designs later, but not sure about the early NOE ones with the "RD" designation. The brass NOE 311-165 that Rally Hess pictured above is I believe an early copy of the first RD 311-165 which was intended only for Marlins with the large throats, which is not all Marlins and won't chamber in much else that requires crimping in the crimp groove. What I can say for certain about that NOE mould is it will group like no other in one of my Marlins, like half-inch at 100 yards repeatedly using a certain lube regimen, at full-jacketed velocity. Remember Marlins have a 10" ROT. None of my rifles cared for the stepped-nose RD version as much as other bullets or the NOE 311-165 with the long ogive nose and no step. So if the "original, original" RD 311-165-RF by LEE was similar to the NOE 311-165, I can easily believe it is the far better-shooting design of the two in some Marlins.
 

fiver

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I'm a little lost.
I know LEE has all of Michaels original drawings.
but have heard AL got a copy of [some] them.

if there is a specific question here I could just ask R.D. I talk to him all the time.
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
fiver,
Al at NOE makes a number of Michael's designs. I think he may have bought the rights to them awhile back.
I know when he did start makingi them my 1st two moulds I ever purchased from NOE were the 325-175 Ranch dog & the 311-165 Ranch dog
I opted for the regular lube groove ( Al makes both the original TL bullet and his version with standard lune groove)
Jim
 

oscarflytyer

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I also talk to Mike on occassion. Before it is over, may discuss the particulars of the two diff molds with him. One is for me, and one is for a buddy. I have an '81 Marlin and buddy has both Marlin and Win. One of mine is TL and one is std grooves. need to find out which is best for each of us...
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
My early NOE with standard grooves has a slightLy different nose profile from my Lee made RD mould. I have to trim cases a little shorter to get the action closed. Ever try to hard seat bullets into the lands with a lever action?

My 336 really likes either bullet. I see no need to ever shoot anything else in it.
 

fiver

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yes I have..:D
if you do it in the last 1/4" of lever travel it ain't so bad.
until you forget to snick it all in place.
 

Brad

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Staff member
They are a sumnabitch to eject live rounds too.
 

Rally Hess

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Brad,
Any chance you could post a picture of a bullet from each mould side by side? The reason I bought the second RD mould was so I could get one set-up for DP's and one set-up for FP, and then just leave them that way. I was surprised they were that different, and like yours required different seating depths to work in my Marlin. I liked the idea of the larger meplat on the later bullet but my rifle shoots the early model better, no matter where I seat it. I'm just wondering if the Lee RD's are different in nose shape.
 

Ben

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Staff member
The mould arrived early this morning.
I gave it a real good cleaning with DAWN and hot soapy water.
The bullets mike about .3125" as they fall from the mould.
My .014 " Amerimax AL g/c's are a nice " snap / click " fit on the g/c shanks.
They are on to stay after going through my RCBS .311 lube sizer die.
The bullets are lubed with Carnuba Blue ( trying some out for experimental purposes )
The portion of the nose adjacent to the leading drive band mikes .304" ( see photo below )

I have a dozen .30 cal. rifles, surely this bullet will fit and shoot well in at least one of them ? ?

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