bye-bye 223 Moving on to another caliber.
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Mitty38
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On the gun I bought. I can trip it with a little effort. When I get the "Mattel" grips off the Girsan, it may not be an issue at all.
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Mitty38
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Right now we are just practicing field strip. Pretty much comes apart and goes back together like a star BM I used to have. Cept I was smart enough this time around, to line the slide stop up on assembly on this one,so as not to scratch the frame.
Will definitely be getting some VZ grips. May be the only thing I change.
Will definitely be getting some VZ grips. May be the only thing I change.
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Petrol & Powder
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That is a GIrsan (Turkish made) pistol. For roughly $500 (including a box of ammo and tax) I don't think you can get hurt at that price.
As for the sights, they are Novak style but beware the dovetail may not be a Novak cut. Novak uses a non-standard dovetail angle. This is a good thing because Novak sights can often be fitted to old slides with a new dovetail cutter. I would run what you have before even thinking about changing the sights.
You got ambidextrous safeties, and nice sights for the price. That’s a win.
The grips can be changed if you wish and that’s a matter of personal preference. The classic is double diamond, checkered, hardwood with a dark stain. But it's your call.
Beware that many of the newer 1911 pistols do not stake the grip bushings in place.
If the grip screw bushings are NOT staked, the fix is to remove the bushings from the frame. Clean the threads on the bushings and frame with acetone. Then apply some thread locking compound (AKA – Loctite) to the threads of the bushings (not grip screws) and re-install the bushings. Then grease the threads of the grip screws and re-install the grips. This will allow you to remove the grip screws without disturbing the grip screw BUSHINGS.
I would leave the magazine release alone for a while. It may grow on you. I’ve never seen a real improvement over the original 1911 mag release.
I’ll second the suggestion for good quality magazines. That is a “make or break” item for any semi-auto pistol. I like Wilson, but Checkmate is also a sure bet for 1911 mags. Avoid bad magazines at all costs; nothing will screw up the functioning of a 1911 more certainly than a crappy magazine.
I will also second the 200 grain H&G #068 bullet (or a clone of that). If you are going to cast for that pistol, that is probably the best all-around bullet.
Good Luck!
As for the sights, they are Novak style but beware the dovetail may not be a Novak cut. Novak uses a non-standard dovetail angle. This is a good thing because Novak sights can often be fitted to old slides with a new dovetail cutter. I would run what you have before even thinking about changing the sights.
You got ambidextrous safeties, and nice sights for the price. That’s a win.
The grips can be changed if you wish and that’s a matter of personal preference. The classic is double diamond, checkered, hardwood with a dark stain. But it's your call.
Beware that many of the newer 1911 pistols do not stake the grip bushings in place.
If the grip screw bushings are NOT staked, the fix is to remove the bushings from the frame. Clean the threads on the bushings and frame with acetone. Then apply some thread locking compound (AKA – Loctite) to the threads of the bushings (not grip screws) and re-install the bushings. Then grease the threads of the grip screws and re-install the grips. This will allow you to remove the grip screws without disturbing the grip screw BUSHINGS.
I would leave the magazine release alone for a while. It may grow on you. I’ve never seen a real improvement over the original 1911 mag release.
I’ll second the suggestion for good quality magazines. That is a “make or break” item for any semi-auto pistol. I like Wilson, but Checkmate is also a sure bet for 1911 mags. Avoid bad magazines at all costs; nothing will screw up the functioning of a 1911 more certainly than a crappy magazine.
I will also second the 200 grain H&G #068 bullet (or a clone of that). If you are going to cast for that pistol, that is probably the best all-around bullet.
Good Luck!
CWLONGSHOT
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LMK. Happy ta help. I have more than a few applicable molds making great bullets. (Including original H&G 68 & 130) Plus brass Lg prime, I can send.
CW
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JonB
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The one thing I wasn't impressed about my RIA 38 super was the factory mag. While it did function, it just felt chincy and unfinished. I ordered a couple checkmate mags and was impressed.
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Mitty38
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Well Report on the Girsan
Made in Turkive (Turkey) Imported by EAA Cocoa FL.
It's a Davidsons exclusive. With lifetime full replacement guarantee.
Model MC 1911 S XLV
45 ACP
Ok that out of the way.
It's basically a 5 inch. Minimalist model With Extender Beaver tail and mag release. Ambidextrous safety, Memory hump on the grip safety. Very aggressive checkering. Front and back. Skeletonized hammer.
Novac sight cuts, with Novac Style fixed sights. With a good 8 round heavy steel mag with a no tilt steel follower. Oh and the cheapest, worst fitted plastic grips they could come up with.
Any how.. had seen a bunch of You tube videos that were saying the Girsan was crap. But.. they had all certain things in common.
Short slide, as in commando or similar model, 9mm, either mixed ammo or mags. They had never cleaned and oiled the gun out of the box. None of the factors that will be effecting my gun.
So.. called my cousin(a certified army armorer in and after vietnam and a certified 1911 and colt gunsmith). He is 70 and retired but never turns family down. I am lucky to have him for family.
I had him walk me thru it with video call. Way better then watching some one on You tube.
I took it down, completely, got all the preservative off of everything. Then oiled with Rem Oil, liberally in all the right places, and a dab of red grease where my cousin told me.
Was very surprised at the polish job on the seer, ramp, and other places where it counted. No manufacturer debris. The fact that everything accept the bronze grip screw bushings and the grips was steel.
Everything had been well tuned.My cousin said he was amazed at the amount of time that was was taken, tuning on such a cheap gun. The extractor tension was right on. Trigger pull was crisp with an 8th inch take up and a steady 3.8 to 4.2 lb with five pull tests taken. The grip screw bushings were even Staked.
Next at his recommendation bought a box of Remington UMC 230 grain fmj large primer to "break it in" with.
Well with that UMC, for the first 50.Plus a box of Winchester white box small primers, for the second 50 rounds. 5 police body targets, and the gun. Headed to the range.
Well not a single issue, and the gun just kept going for the Full hundred rounds, even when hot and rapid firing. Well balanced, acceptable recoil.As accurate as a revolver in my hands. Maybe even beats the 9mm Glock clone I had built.
It just runs so smooth.
Telling you for $500 including a box of ammo, and tax, this gun amazed me.
It should be in the price range of 8 to 9 hundred. If soly based on function, tuning, and reliability.
However it is no beauty queen with burnishing scratches on the frame,and the cheap plastic grips. To give the grips some credit. They are quite aggressive and do fit both My son's, and my hands well. So they will do well till I decide to order some more.
The son and I are Happy,Happy,Happy.
This one is a keeper.
Made in Turkive (Turkey) Imported by EAA Cocoa FL.
It's a Davidsons exclusive. With lifetime full replacement guarantee.
Model MC 1911 S XLV
45 ACP
Ok that out of the way.
It's basically a 5 inch. Minimalist model With Extender Beaver tail and mag release. Ambidextrous safety, Memory hump on the grip safety. Very aggressive checkering. Front and back. Skeletonized hammer.
Novac sight cuts, with Novac Style fixed sights. With a good 8 round heavy steel mag with a no tilt steel follower. Oh and the cheapest, worst fitted plastic grips they could come up with.
Any how.. had seen a bunch of You tube videos that were saying the Girsan was crap. But.. they had all certain things in common.
Short slide, as in commando or similar model, 9mm, either mixed ammo or mags. They had never cleaned and oiled the gun out of the box. None of the factors that will be effecting my gun.
So.. called my cousin(a certified army armorer in and after vietnam and a certified 1911 and colt gunsmith). He is 70 and retired but never turns family down. I am lucky to have him for family.
I had him walk me thru it with video call. Way better then watching some one on You tube.
I took it down, completely, got all the preservative off of everything. Then oiled with Rem Oil, liberally in all the right places, and a dab of red grease where my cousin told me.
Was very surprised at the polish job on the seer, ramp, and other places where it counted. No manufacturer debris. The fact that everything accept the bronze grip screw bushings and the grips was steel.
Everything had been well tuned.My cousin said he was amazed at the amount of time that was was taken, tuning on such a cheap gun. The extractor tension was right on. Trigger pull was crisp with an 8th inch take up and a steady 3.8 to 4.2 lb with five pull tests taken. The grip screw bushings were even Staked.
Next at his recommendation bought a box of Remington UMC 230 grain fmj large primer to "break it in" with.
Well with that UMC, for the first 50.Plus a box of Winchester white box small primers, for the second 50 rounds. 5 police body targets, and the gun. Headed to the range.
Well not a single issue, and the gun just kept going for the Full hundred rounds, even when hot and rapid firing. Well balanced, acceptable recoil.As accurate as a revolver in my hands. Maybe even beats the 9mm Glock clone I had built.
It just runs so smooth.
Telling you for $500 including a box of ammo, and tax, this gun amazed me.
It should be in the price range of 8 to 9 hundred. If soly based on function, tuning, and reliability.
However it is no beauty queen with burnishing scratches on the frame,and the cheap plastic grips. To give the grips some credit. They are quite aggressive and do fit both My son's, and my hands well. So they will do well till I decide to order some more.
The son and I are Happy,Happy,Happy.
This one is a keeper.
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CWLONGSHOT
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This has been my experience with the two Girsan 10mm long slides I know about. As well as the two other uTube acquaintances have.
Glad ya got something you are pleased with. Ill have a 10mm long slide from them next opportunity.
CW
Glad ya got something you are pleased with. Ill have a 10mm long slide from them next opportunity.
CW
L Ross
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Excellent review!
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Ian, I think most of us are price and value shooters. If I'm going for a walk in the sage brush, I don't take my Colt Custom Shop Gold Cup Commander with ivory grips. I take the Essex framed 1911 I built from parts that shoots just as well and is OK if it picks up a scratch or two. One is a work of art and the other is a tool.
These are the guns which endear me. Sometimes, the cheaper and rattier, the better, as long as it shoots well.
I'm not one much for art, but I do have a deep appreciation and respect for tools, bordering reverence in a few cases.
fiver
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i avoid artwork on a gun like the plague.
so much so i almost instantly traded off a ruger Vaquero in 44 mag. my dad traded me that had engraving and gold inlays done to it at the factory.
it shot pretty darn good, but i couldn't stand to look at all that bling.
the only bliing i want on a gun is worn off blueing, i don't even like glossy shiny Browning type stocks.
so much so i almost instantly traded off a ruger Vaquero in 44 mag. my dad traded me that had engraving and gold inlays done to it at the factory.
it shot pretty darn good, but i couldn't stand to look at all that bling.
the only bliing i want on a gun is worn off blueing, i don't even like glossy shiny Browning type stocks.