NOE 301-175 Paper Patch

[Idaholewis]

Nice!
Paper patching is a fascinating technique, that I have yet to try.... I’m following your results with great interest. Did you cast them from your #2 alloy?
Best of luck!

Yep, Same Lyman #2 Alloy

 

[Idaholewis]

I hate when this happens

Ian needs to DE-Train his PC

 

[Idaholewis]

I’m Ready for my 1st .308 Paper Patch Test.

I ended up going with a Thicker Paper (I will probably end up going back to the other?) These finish at .311

The 4 on the Left are Dry Graphited Patched, for a Dry, Slick Lube.

 

[Ian]

PC has been D-trained since 14 January. I usually post from my Samsung S9+, but it needs to be ++++ sized for my thumbtips.

Ok Lewis, you're not following directions and you will find out why it matters soon enough . It will be a good lesson, as it was for me.

I used to paper patch for several calibers, including .270 Winchester, when I wanted full maximum jacketed velocity with good accuracy, often maintaining MOA or better for ten consecutive shots if I got the core the right size, the patch the right thickness, and the load worked out. However, powder coating has the same advantages for me and none of the disadvantages except for needing gas checks.

 

[Idaholewis]

Neck tension might be a Little Tight? I gotta a LOT of things i can tinker with here. They are in there GOOD, not gonna Budge til i pull the Trigger. I have these JAMMED Tight in the Lands, I wrapped/Patched these just a tiny bit forward So the Patch is in the Lands. My Bolt closes a little Snug, But not Bad at all.

The Seater Stem in my Seating Die is leaving a Very small Ring in the Ogive, Not gonna hurt anything, I can Barely feel it.

The first paper i had, .309.5, .310, Was my 9# Onion Skin, This Thicker Stuff is From Staples, I can’t remember the Name now? I got lot’s of different ways to Tinker with these Paper Patch Bullets. I have a Sizer Die on the Way from Rick (Buckshot) a .300, i plan to Open to .301, Possibly .302

I will be Trying these Lyman 200 Grain Bullets Paper Patched when i get the .300 Die

 

[Idaholewis]

PC has been D-trained since 14 January. I usually post from my Samsung S9+, but it needs to be ++++ sized for my thumbtips.

Ok Lewis, you're not following directions and you will find out why it matters soon enough . It will be a good lesson, as it was for me.

I used to paper patch for several calibers, including .270 Winchester, when I wanted full maximum jacketed velocity with good accuracy, often maintaining MOA or better for ten consecutive shots if I got the core the right size, the patch the right thickness, and the load worked out. However, powder coating has the same advantages for me and none of the disadvantages except for needing gas checks.

Gotta love this Paper Patching, This is where I actually got my Start in Muzzleloading, TOTALLY different than this!! But a lot of the Stuff is Fairly Similar.

This 1st session might be a TOTAL bust? But i gotta Go play with EVERY Variable i can come up with

 

[Ian]

An actual .300" die should pop them out about .3015" or so which for a .300" bore is perfect. The Barlow bullets aren't the best for patching but they'll still shoot just fine. I had good luck making an irregular patch to match the slight taper of the bore-riding core so the seam still butted after stretching the paper. .003" taper over an inch doesn't seem like much until you try.

I'm gonna leave you be on the ones you already made but here's a word of caution about safety that I think you're going to need: Take a .30-caliber bore brush and rod to the range with you for pulling the paper rings out of the chamber at the end. Forcing the bolt home on them can lead to dangerous pressure, ask me how I know.....same reason I know you're going to get rings.

 

[Idaholewis]

These should be 2,650-2,700 fps

 

[Idaholewis]

These Bullets weigh 168-168.2 Grains

 

[Idaholewis]

An actual .300" die should pop them out about .3015" or so which for a .300" bore is perfect. The Barlow bullets aren't the best for patching but they'll still shoot just fine. I had good luck making an irregular patch to match the slight taper of the bore-riding core so the seam still butted after stretching the paper. .003" taper over an inch doesn't seem like much until you try.

I'm gonna leave you be on the ones you already made but here's a word of caution about safety that I think you're going to need: Take a .30-caliber bore brush and rod to the range with you for pulling the paper rings out of the chamber at the end. Forcing the bolt home on them can lead to dangerous pressure, ask me how I know.....same reason I know you're going to get rings.

Thank you for that Tip!! I wouldn’t have even thought of that? Will it leave them in the Chamber? How often? Maybe I could pull my Bore Snake Through after each Shot? That’s easy enough

 

[Idaholewis]

I am planning to test these at Daylight in the morning, i will post my Results

 

[Ian]

The rings will form at the front of the chamber, in the space in front of the case mouth. If there are any burrs on the case mouth the rings will sometimes stick there and extract with the case, ir fall off in the bolt lug recesses, or elsewhere in the chamber. Pull the bolt, poke the bore brush into the throat a half inch, and pull it back out to remove the rings. A bore snake won't do it unless you pull it through in reverse, which isn't very good for the crown.

 

[fiver]

I didn't see any lube.
generally a smear of lube is really helpful.
so is a final run through a size die.
those 311's through a 310/309 die then mostly thumb seated in the case neck might be a direction you want to look at.
just some observations.. carry on.

 

[Idaholewis]

I like this better, Hopefully my Rifle does. It’s a Balmy 7 Degrees here right now (The definition of balmy is something that is soothing and pleasant feeling, often medicinal )

These are Patched with my Old School, 25% Cotton, 9# Onion Skin Paper (I have a Lifetime Supply of) These finish at .309-.309.5

Neck tension feels REALLY good with this Setup, i have these seated out 0.010 Beyond the Lands, I want my Gun/Bolt to Finish Seating them, Nice and Firm against the Lands. These will be 2500-2550 fps

 

[fiver]

7?... how'd you rate that?
it was minus 12 when I took the wife down to the hospital this morning.
they rolled her into the OP and I decided to come home for a bit after taking a little ride down the highway to blow the snow off the truck.
holy cow those roads are slick,,, not too much snow was blown off.

 

[Idaholewis]

I haven’t disappeared Guy’s, Just Re-Grouping

Ok Lewis, you're not following directions and you will find out why it matters soon enough . It will be a good lesson, as it was for me.

Ok Ian, What did i do Wrong? I DEFINITELY had a Failure But I want to see if you Know what it was? (I believe you do? That’s why you posted What i am Quoting you here) I am ready for Round 2, I feel confident I know what i did Wrong? I have Changed things up to Correct what i feel Was Wrong, a Couple of things actually. Hopefully i can test again this Morning. When i get this Down, i will Lay everything out, What worked, And What Didn’t

At this point (my 1st, and ONLY Paper Patch Centerfire outing) I can tell you what NOT to Do

 

[Ian]

I already know how to and how not to do this, Lewis. So does Fiver, who mentioned a couple of important things. Why don't you share what you learned?

 

[Idaholewis]

I already know how to and how not to do this, Lewis. So does Fiver

Appears that i do as well

 

[S Mac]

Wonder if your alloy choice contributes to the large out of the mould diameter. Well done.

 

[Idaholewis]

Wonder if your alloy choice contributes to the large out of the mould diameter. Well done.

I tried it with a MUCH Softer 1-30 Alloy as well and Get the Same .303 Diameter. I spoke with Al of NOE When i ordered this Mold, i asked him what it would Throw, Close abouts? He said a little over .301, probably 301.5, If that was the Case it would be about ideal from the Mold, But mine DEFINITELY Throws Large at .303 Which leaves me no Choice but to Size, Which isn’t a Big Deal, if my Sizing Die From Buckshot would HURRY and get here, Like a few Days ago!