Ruger, American GEN II

CWLONGSHOT

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Have you seen this one yet? Just released by Ruger more calibers coming next year. All the standard short action popular ones are offered now. They really took cues from the public and what they wanted in this rifle and I think they may have knocked it out of the park! The biggest thing that I like on, it is the three position safety. The other big thing is a better magazine and nice ergo and additions to the stock. I could take her leave the floating in the barrel, but like the idea. I could take her leave the compensator , but like that, it's threaded. I'll have one of these next year probably in 400 legend. CW
 

Tomme boy

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Hopefully the stock is not changed as to the foot print of the action so existing stocks can be used. Thats the one thing on mine I hate is the stock. Just have not got around to getting something else yet.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Got the e-mail, yesterday(?). I think the safety and bolt handle are improvements, however can't get excited about the look of the buttstock. I understand the adjustability of it, nonetheless it is downright ugly. Too, would a non-fluted barrel, on the standard model, equate to a lower price?

I have a first iteration in .223 and, other than it being black plastic, don't mind its stock. I've looked at Boyd's and others for a wood stock and their prices are half of what I paid for the factory-Vortex-scoped rifle. That said, I've not entirely given up on wood.
 

Rick H

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That fluted compensated barrel is just plain ugly. The stock is no beauty either. What has happened to Ruger? Did they hire a "Flash Gordon" fan boy as a designer? I appreciate the adjustability and safety improvements but how on earth does the company that gave us the classic #1 and #3, the 77, and yes even the Blackhawk come up with such an UGLY rifle. V shaped buttstock? There is not a thing about that rifle that is appealing to me.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Old man, Ruger did his own thing - did not bend to the wispy ephemera of so-called popular opinion. He was a traditionalist in as many ways as an innovator, but he insisted on having things his way. A lot of people questioned that and thought he could have done better by reacting more to what people thought they wanted. He seemed to have done pretty well in spite of the criticism.

Not following every fickle whim of the populous did not seem to harm him in terms of business, but I doubt there are many who could stand up to that standard today, so what we get is what the most eager to buy the next new thing thinks is cool.

I don't see a point in threading every barrel until we can get a suppressor without the current expense and hassle, so eliminate that cost. Fluting? I'm not convinced it does ANYONE any good, let alone the average yuck crashing through the woods looking for deer, so eliminate that cost.

That stock,... Is there some rule now that everything MUST be as ugly as possible? Not to sound vain, but man, black plastic is ugly enough for me. It works for most of what I need to do, so I can live with that level of ugly. Ugly by intentional design is worse than pretty by intentional design. It looks like a blasted running shoe. Maybe it's comfy though, I don't know.
 

Mainiac

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Have you seen what there doing to the marlin leverguns??????
Holy cow,,,black plastic and full lenth picca rails,
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Today's gun and car designs are several generations removed from this dyed in the wool traditionalist. All the plastic, swoppie-doopies, and acute angles have no eye appeal. None. Bastardizing a lever action rifle, with black plastic stocks and rails, ought to be a crime against humanity.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Old man, Ruger did his own thing - did not bend to the wispy ephemera of so-called popular opinion. He was a traditionalist in as many ways as an innovator, but he insisted on having things his way. A lot of people questioned that and thought he could have done better by reacting more to what people thought they wanted. He seemed to have done pretty well in spite of the criticism.

Not following every fickle whim of the populous did not seem to harm him in terms of business, but I doubt there are many who could stand up to that standard today, so what we get is what the most eager to buy the next new thing thinks is cool.

I don't see a point in threading every barrel until we can get a suppressor without the current expense and hassle, so eliminate that cost. Fluting? I'm not convinced it does ANYONE any good, let alone the average yuck crashing through the woods looking for deer, so eliminate that cost.

That stock,... Is there some rule now that everything MUST be as ugly as possible? Not to sound vain, but man, black plastic is ugly enough for me. It works for most of what I need to do, so I can live with that level of ugly. Ugly by intentional design is worse than pretty by intentional design. It looks like a blasted running shoe. Maybe it's comfy though, I don't know.
Whenever the marketing guys overwhelm the engineers, you get products like that. It’s an unfortunate fact that sales often trump design but that’s the reality of the real world.

A fluted barrel does allow for a slight reduction in weight with a heavy profile and it stiffens the barrel in theory. However, those spiral flutes are pure marketing.

I don’t know what the obsession is with muzzle devices, but they need to go. And I agree threaded barrels are silly when, so few rifles end up with suppressors. If you’re going to spend the money and hassle to get a suppressor, you can certainly get that barrel threaded in the process, the rest of us don’t need threads on a barrel that will never see a suppressor. Again, a concession to the “cool” image more than a useful feature.

Ugly stocks seem to fall into that marketing strategy of appealing to younger buyers that don’t really know what they want, they just want to be cool, whatever someone tells them is currently “cool”.

Now that’s the bad, let’s get to the good. More offerings in short actions are a good thing. A detachable magazine that can be either a nearly flush magazine or extended as the user sees fit – is a positive feature. A three position safety is a nice feature.

Picatinny rails seem to have become the standard these days, not sure they are needed on every rifle but at least there’s a scope mounting option from the factory. I preferred the older Ruger integral rings that attached directly to the receiver but apparently those are no longer “cool”.

I will not label the American as a “budget” rifle but it’s not on the upper end of the spectrum by a long shot. The Ruger American series pack a lot of value into an affordable package. This has always been Ruger’s forte.
 

richhodg66

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I have a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. Taken about five deer with it now, cannot gripe about the function or performance of that rifle one bit. It was the easiest to get good performance out of any rifle I ever handloaded for (jacketed) and is so easily shootable, handles and points well.

Damn thing is uglier than Janet Reno in bowling shoes, look at it too long you'd likely goblind, but I guess I can live with that. Wouldn't mind having one in .22-250, seems like it would be the ultimate coyote rifle, but that will have to wait.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Maybe it's not quite THAT ugly...

Not to be disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable, but... yeah, it's THAT ugly.

@richhodg66 's comments about the Predator, one of the early Americans... THAT was not a "pretty rifle, but it was not offensive to the eye. It looked like it looked because that's how it looked when they got done making it work like it was supposed to work. I personally fine beauty in that model of design.

Can't disagree with any of @Petrol & Powder 's comments, especially the point about "just wanting to be cool."

And cars (ad rucks), someone said something about that. Man, are they UGLY these days! I think the pendulum may start to swing the other way because the industry counts on people looking at how ugly their three-year-old cars are and start feeling a bit dated and uncool and go buy whatever is the next superfluous design fad is. Even TRACTORS look weird now!

Me? I like the base utility look, like someone could fab a fender in a garage with some material, a few basic tools and some skill.
 

Rushcreek

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My daughter had a full length RAR, I had a RAR Compact. Both in .243, both early issue.
Other than my late brother’s M77 .220 Swift, those two rifles were the most accurate Rugers that I ever shot.
I’d buy another one if I needed one.
 

fiver

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jeez you'd hope the 6.5 hit somewhere in the middle,, but wow holy man bun batman.

i've learned over the years that ugly ain't so ugly when you watch the bullet impact through the scope on a realistic big enough to reliably take an Elk at 300 yds. cartridge.
it's at least 63 magnitudes better than god thats a beautiful rifle,,, where'd you get THAT bruise?

same principle applies to 600 rounds of shot shells in a day.
 

richhodg66

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And I agree with you, Ric. It is a good, easy to load for, low recoil, easy to get good accuracy from, about the perfect power level for whitetails, chambered in every kind of platform one could want, what's not to like?

All of those qualities could be attributed to the .243 or several others. I'm smart enough to know that I don't transform into Carlos Hathcock the instant I touch a rifle chambered in it, but it is a good cartridge, I don't understand the hate from all the traditionalists.