Ruger, American GEN II
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richhodg66
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Great as .44s are, .45s are better. Always wondered about the .264 Win Mag and similar, seems like an awful lot of powder for a small gain over something like a .270 or .25-06.
My issue is the hype and that many don’t feel the way you do. Too many do assume they are suddenly a long range guru because of the cartridge.
I have an issue with the idea that because a cartridge/l technique/etc is good ina specific shooting arena that it suddenly needs to be translated into all shooting arenas. This falls squarely on the gun writers who do a great job of selling crap people really don’t need.
Petrol & Powder
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Well to be fair, the ones shelling out the money for the latest and greatest hold a large portion of the responsibility for their own actions.
It's nice to have choices but having choices doesn't mean one MUST buy something.
I know a guy that always must have the newest truck. He does nothing with those trucks beyond moving himself from one place to another. They are incredibly expensive trucks; he never puts cargo in the bed, and he'll trade it as soon as he sees some other shiny truck. (usually about every 2-3 years) Between the depreciation, taxes, interest on the loans and other expenses, he probably loses $30K and year on those toys. That behavior isn't the fault of the advertisers or the salesmen, that rests squarely on his shoulders.
richhodg66
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That hype, though, is a real advantage. The old "it won't do anything the 6.5 Swede wasn't doing 100 years ago" argument doesn't hold up. I can't walk into any Wal Mart and buy a rifle and any kind of ammo for a 6.5 Swede. It's also gitten a lot of guys into serious shooting and handloading. I don't hunt or shoot far, I just don't, so the 6.5 CM is pretty much a 100 yard gun for me just like every other rifle I have.
True. I recommend it to new shooters, because it's just fine and it's AVAILABLE. If I were to own one, I don't think I'd shoot it to its full pressure and I'd seek out old-fashioned game bullets, shoot at deer with it at no more than 200 yards and probably experiment with a lighter varmint bullet for those smaller critters. The fancy new bullets would be wasted on me - probably like they're wasted on 90% of those to whom they are marketed.
My gripes with the 6.5 CM (and its ilk) are not with the cartridge itself, but how people fall for the hype and how it has displaced other perfectly worthy cartridges on the production schedule, like brass for other 6.5s and the old, long cup-n-core bullets which made the caliber famous. Once you hit the 160 grain mark with the 6.5, you have some serious sectional density in a still manageable weight (re. recoil), so speeds and pressures need not be exaggerated. But then, that's just a plain ol, practical hunting round for use at ranges at which most are reasonably capable of succeeding at.
I harbor no delusions that I'm a long-range rifleman. I've made a few shots at four hundred yards on varmints, but I gravitate toward light, handy sporter-type rifles, which are not so easy to shoot so well at extended ranges. If I keep it within 300 on varmints/vermin, I'm going to do well. Usually, it's going to be much less than that just based on circumstance. 200 on a deer, for me, would be my max limit if everything was "right" and I was "feelin' it."
I am outnumbered in today's market. I may have always been, because hype has always been at play in selling new guns/cartridges, but I think the big difference today is that so many are so free with spending. Maybe I'm the idiot for depriving myself of so many things for so long throughout my life, saving up for something or being very selective about what I DO spend on?
RBHarter
West Central AR
I have a whole list of calibers from 22-50 with fewer missing than on hand . 338 is the only one I feel like I missed something with .
I think I have at least 2 cases in each caliber step .
Each has some reason for me having it .
222,223,22-250 little critters.
No 6/243 just never cared for them.
257,25-06 utility, Dad's love .
6.5 Japanese and 264WM ??????
6.8 SPC neat cartridge , platform sharing ....
7×6.8spc ,275 Rigby/7×57,280 6oz gophers to bull elephant gives up very little to a 30 and makes it later.
30-30,06',7.7 Japanese,it's hard to hate the 06'.
32 Rem, had an 8x57 . The 32 is in a kind of cool brush gun , but it's only advantage over the 30-30 is it being rimless.
380,9,38 Short,38 Special,357 ,358 Win . I really wanted a 9×57 but if the 358 won't get it I probably don't have enough gun .
40 ..... I just like it better than the 9mm it's the only loaner .
44 . Just C&B but in 58,60, and Dragoon.
45 all the cases Colts and down ,Raptor , 45-70 and a front stuffer . Just a big ole hunk of lead that will break all the stuff it won't poke a hole in .
Big skip here up to the 50 MLs . None of mine are fast twist so anything over about a 225 gr conical is useless , but it's still a big ole' hunk of lead and the long 24-28" barrels match 06' ME .
410,20,16,&12 ga in 2-3/4" , 2-1/2"and 3" .
There's a 2-9/16" 1-1/4oz marked 10 ga double also.
I've run numbers for weight and speed and shot most of them into some sort of comparison medium at some point in the last 30 years. Some were a big surprise, some not so much.
I think I have at least 2 cases in each caliber step .
Each has some reason for me having it .
222,223,22-250 little critters.
No 6/243 just never cared for them.
257,25-06 utility, Dad's love .
6.5 Japanese and 264WM ??????
6.8 SPC neat cartridge , platform sharing ....
7×6.8spc ,275 Rigby/7×57,280 6oz gophers to bull elephant gives up very little to a 30 and makes it later.
30-30,06',7.7 Japanese,it's hard to hate the 06'.
32 Rem, had an 8x57 . The 32 is in a kind of cool brush gun , but it's only advantage over the 30-30 is it being rimless.
380,9,38 Short,38 Special,357 ,358 Win . I really wanted a 9×57 but if the 358 won't get it I probably don't have enough gun .
40 ..... I just like it better than the 9mm it's the only loaner .
44 . Just C&B but in 58,60, and Dragoon.
45 all the cases Colts and down ,Raptor , 45-70 and a front stuffer . Just a big ole hunk of lead that will break all the stuff it won't poke a hole in .
Big skip here up to the 50 MLs . None of mine are fast twist so anything over about a 225 gr conical is useless , but it's still a big ole' hunk of lead and the long 24-28" barrels match 06' ME .
410,20,16,&12 ga in 2-3/4" , 2-1/2"and 3" .
There's a 2-9/16" 1-1/4oz marked 10 ga double also.
I've run numbers for weight and speed and shot most of them into some sort of comparison medium at some point in the last 30 years. Some were a big surprise, some not so much.
Clintons henchwomen,,probably radioactive feet!
CWLONGSHOT
Well-Known Member
I dont have a Needmore. I dont have any need as I own a Grendel and a 6.5/06. But its a fine caliber. Wont humanely do what many think. Its a INSIDE 400 yard deer caliber. IMHO too small
For anything larger then deer. Yea it will and has worked, I wont use or condone it for this.
Ill have at least one of these next Gen guns. As of now today, probably a 400 Legend.
CW
For anything larger then deer. Yea it will and has worked, I wont use or condone it for this.
Ill have at least one of these next Gen guns. As of now today, probably a 400 Legend.
CW
waco
Springfield, Oregon
I have a 6.5CM and love the round for what I use it for. Hitting small targets at long distances. No animals. This thing easily hits MOA targets out to and beyond 1000 yards and has done pretty good( if I do my part ) at hitting sub half MOA targets at 1000 yards. Inside those distances it is pretty easy to hit most anything your shooting at. Like I said. For me this would just be steel targets. Easy to load for, light recoil, and accurate. That being said, Inside 1000 yards my Rem 700 in .308 gets the job done just about as well.
Well, yeah, but you're what most who blindly adore it WANNABE - the REAL DEAL.
The 6.5CM did not make YOU the shooter you are, it's just a tool worthy of your skill, which is not common.
Urny
Missouri Ozarks, heart still in the Ruby Mountains
Taste in firearms style and finish is a very personal thing and to my eye the original RAR was an attractive rifle in a modern sense. That new version is not.
Maybe thinking of the 6.5 Creedmore as a fat .250-3000 Improved might ease the distress some feel at its' undeniable success, but I must text a copy of that photo to ammohead, who is truly offended by the whole notion of the Creedmoor.
Maybe thinking of the 6.5 Creedmore as a fat .250-3000 Improved might ease the distress some feel at its' undeniable success, but I must text a copy of that photo to ammohead, who is truly offended by the whole notion of the Creedmoor.
It’s all good. I don’t own anything 6.5, they never really appealed to me.
But I don’t get excited about old military guns either.
In the end of it keeps gun and ammo companies open then we all benefit. It is kinda like fishing tackle- doesn’t need to catch fish, just fishermen
But I don’t get excited about old military guns either.
In the end of it keeps gun and ammo companies open then we all benefit. It is kinda like fishing tackle- doesn’t need to catch fish, just fishermen
Gary
SE Kansas
I think your question contains the answer; it's MAINE.
