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RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Different rifles shoot different ammo. The BSA Martini International MK III shot best with Federal Gold Metal Match, 900B. It was even better than the three Lapua I tried. The M2 Springfield shot best with plain old Winchester Super X hi-speed stuff. The 1990's Ruger 10/22 likes the Remington Cyclone as well as anything tried so far. My last BR-50 rifle was/is a Remington 37 from the last 1940's that likes Ely Rifle Match or the Aquila match, but it has to be fresh with soft lube.
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
Aguila is the rimfire ammo of choice in smallbore handgun silhouette. It wins most of the matches.
Really? I just spent quite a bit of time looking for info like this on the web and found nothing. I even went to the Aguila company website where I would expect them to crow about this in big black letters and there is nothing. I found one review that said it is driven more by price point than quality. It's decent ammo for the money but gets erratic beyond certain ranges. And I'm not trying to argue with you, Rick. My only experience was at our local club where several tried it and were not impressed. If that was a fluke, then I'd want to know.

I know that there is a Team Aguila that competes in several categories of shooting. I would not be surprised if their "factory" ammo was precision loaded just for them and factory ammo in name only. But you have piqued my interest and if I can find a box or two of their match ammo, I'd be curious to see how it shoots out of my Win 52C.
 

JWinAZ

Active Member
IMO, you can't beat CCI Blazer 22LR ammunition, for the price. All five of my 22s like it.
I have had good results with Blazer as well. I shot Blazer in my Marlin 39A for the "Cowboy" rimfire silhouette match a few weeks ago. The ammo was not the limiting factor.

It's all about quality control. Which we all know has been slipping, recently.

And has slipped in the past. After a rimfire ammo shortage maybe 12-15 years ago I bought a brick of Winchester T-22. It was terrible. The bullets were seated crookedly. Really something to see in supposedly high quality ammo. The LGS took it back and gave me a refund.
 

dale2242

Well-Known Member
I drove into Grants Pass this morning to get some 2cycle oil for our salmon trip tomorrow.
Did some grocery shopping and picked up 3 Primroses while is was there.
The rain backed off so i got them planted.
The grandkids are stopping by on their way home from the coast, so we are going to grill up some burgers and brats for them and some of their friends.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
When I used to read gun rags, there was an article about Aguila .22 LR ammunition and it said that Eley contracted with Aguila and that Aguila's primer mix, load recipes, and machinery are Eley's.

A range regular, who once shot .22 LR handgun in competition, shoots .22 LR only and Aguila is the brand I see him shooting the most often.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I have tried Aguila 60-grain subsonic (good stuff for suppressed rifles but I don't target shoot with it so I have no idea of its consistency) and their regular LR ammo. The LR was inconsistent, sometimes wouldn't cycle my 10-22, jammed a lot, very inaccurate, and the smoke smelled absolutely terrible. I bought a brick somewhere for fairly cheap during the first obamanation and actually have traded or given almost all of it away or shot it up. It made good trade fodder among the Redneck Underground when .22 was scarce. Those folks tend to buy cigarettes by the pack, beer by the 12-pack, and ammunition by the box and tend to have small hoards of lead alloy and so forth for trade. I'll never understand why those that consume so much of all of those things don't buy by the case lot at every windfall and save themselves a lot of money in the process, but that's the habit and it keeps the convenience stores in business.
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
Well got back from our walk. Ran into a Bobcats den. Fresh scat around. It was not there last spring. Basically on the other side of Sandy Creek from the house. Off a public sanctuary fishing trail. Hope it hangs around. Them and coyote just don't get along. Plus the keep the racoons away.
Unless the get Really hungry, they tend to stay away from the farms.
Enough ground squirrel, rabbits, mice, small fish, and mussels, to keep a family of them full year round, in that area.
Plus bobcats pretty much respect humans and tame dogs, as long as you don't threaten their kittens.
 
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L Ross

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Boy .22 shooting, no wonder Pope found it frustrating. I have had good luck with a vintage of Aguila Standard Plus, and put a few away when times were good. I had/have "some" Eley Sport, reasonably good stuff loaded by Aguila using the Eley Prime system and components in Mexico. It eventually disappeared. I gave "some" to a friend when it proved to be the only ammo that shot tiny groups in his Uberti Low Wall target rifle. I gave him a year to replace it, I never got any ammo back, I did get something in return, but not ammo.
I thought I'd try Standard Plus and indeed it seemed to shoot at least as well as Eley Sport. So I acquired "some." It is the iteration that has the yellow and blue graphics.
.22 ammo is an entire hobby in and of itself. I have "some" Wolf Match Target made by SK in Germany. Good stuff, holds up predictably at 200 yards, good enough for BPCR rules .22 silhouette. Guys attending my annual shoot got excited and searched for and got Wolf Match Target. It did not shoot as well at longer range. It shot good at 50 and 100, disappointing at 200. Well looky there, it is made at Eley in England now, no longer at SK in Germany and the bullet shape is subtly different. Another friend was lamenting the loss of the German made product, I told him I still had "some." Yet my Eley Target in the yellow boxes is every bit as good as the German Wolf and maybe a skosh better at 200, I've run it out to 350 with success, but I am not a good enough shooter at 400 to tell if it is me or the ammo.
And it gets worse. Variation from lot to lot, and .22 shooters become lot chasers, often paying princely sums for whatever the flavor of the day appears to be winning. But those are either the BR50 guys or long range shooters where consistency and quality is everything. I have never found a system of .22 ammo, and rifle, and shooter that will give me true 1 moa at 100 measured yards for a 20 shot group. Oh boy, 3 shots in one hole, by the time I get 5 it's a dime, 10, gosh 1 moa maybe this time, by 20, nope inch and a quarter again. Or it may be the first two shots are the extreme spread and then you create a nice group. Frankly about the same that happens with my best cast bullet efforts with my best rifles.
The vast majority of my .22 shooting pleasure is derived from shooting offhand at various knock down steel targets at 80 yards. I wish it were 100 but 80 is where a berm, a rail, and my covered shooting position all converged. If it gets too easy, I go to smaller targets or to a more difficult to shoot rifle, or move to 160 or 200.
But for day in and day out off hand knocking down of the prairie dogs, Federal Auto Match will suffice. If I miss a dog it's on me, and the Aguila is better than Auto Match, on paper shooting for groups, in most of my .22s.
When it is match day against my buddies it's German Wolf or Eley Target. I never would pony up the coin for really good Lapua, Eley, or Fiocchi target grade stuff. I'd tap out at about $325/case when prices were more normal.
Oh and TAC and it's predecessor GECO is good though greasy stuff.
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
Have experienced failure to cycle the action on Winchester model 63s and Remington model 550s with brands other than CCI Blazer.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
Just to be extra clear, I never said that the flavor of Aguila that I bought was the good stuff. It was high velocity bulk pack. The stuff in my "stash" is mostly stuff I bought during my rimfire rifle league days, and I have almost every brand of "standard velocity" and some of the Match...that is the good stuff I don't want to share with my redneck, beer can shootin' friends, LOL.
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Honestly, before the 22LR famine, I never even seen bulk pack Aguila. I can only imagine it's about the same quality as the Federal Auto-Match bulk pack, that also came out after 22LR famine...but of course a lubed bullet is gonna act differently that a plated bullet, so I'm not saying they are the same, just same QC standards at the factory.
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I think most of us know, every 22LR gun is gonna have it's own favorite food.
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Right now, I have 7 different flavors Aguila 22 rimfire ammo, and I suspect they have another 6 or 7 flavors available. In pistol league (22LR div) I used Aguila for a while, with quite good luck. There was one called Match Pistol, which was their practice ammo for their "Golden Eagle" Match Pistol. They also made Match Rifle. I don't think they make any of those anymore. I think they were all replaced with their "Target competition" which today, sells for about $9 or $10 a box of 50.
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A blanket statement saying, Brand "X" isn't very accurate, is just not correct if a brand has more than one line of flavors.
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Hey, side note, anyone buy the Russian 22LR ammo back in the day? Now that was the most dirty burning 22LR I ever shot.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Got a 10 k ins estimate for a new roof . Who knew hail/wind would get a full peel new roof .
Work will start next week.

More alligations from an angry teen ......... SoS we went through for 2.5 yr before we forced court action........ Here we are again , word for word the same .

I've learned that alligation makes one guilty until one proves innocence. Accusation is a criminal matter which allows innocence until proven guilty .......
Good times.

The Winchester 67 and 67A aren't terribly fussy about ammo other than point of impact charges from ammo changes . Both seem to remain close enough for 50 yd cottontail as long as you're aware of the shift and hold .
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
Well took the neighbor shopping.
Then put the rear of the jeep up on ramps. Fixed a gas tank strap that had striped a bolt. Then got the front In the air. Changed the neutral safety switch on the transmission. Took a whole 15 minutes.
Tested the old one after I pulled it. It was good. Tested the harness good.
Put the new switch in anyway. Did some actual diagnosis and not just guestimation this time. The actual shifter cable is stretched and worn. Not letting the transmission lever go in the right position completely. I could probably get away with adjustment, or a bushing kit. But found a new cable for $40, so I just ordered that. That will give me and the boy a project next weekend.

Checked the fluids after a 2 week run. Everything full! Filled the tank and figured the miles to gallon. 17.5 average! The Escape got 14 average.

Decided to check it over real good. The car is basically solid. Frame and floor pan wise. Just no inner or bottom rockers, and no metal on the front of the rear wheel wells.
Looks like I may need to do some welding.
But the way the jeep is built, the rust is not structural. Also not very visible from the outside. So I could just live with it, or fiber glass it.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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I havent tried Lapua, SK or some Eley. I have EPS and Tenex from Eley.

But, I have a few flavors of Aguela, Eley, PMC, RWS and Wolf. Plus CCI, Fed, Win and Rem.
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
I havent tried Lapua, SK or some Eley. I have EPS and Tenex from Eley.

But, I have a few flavors of Aguela, Eley, PMC, RWS and Wolf. Plus CCI, Fed, Win and Rem.
Got a box of Wolf match during the crud. 4 moa (2" at 50) all day long pretty much in anything.
Good enough for rabbit.
 

popper

Well-Known Member
' Accusation is a criminal matter which allows innocence until proven guilty' supposed to be, not exactly correct.