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richhodg66

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Understand your point of view, Kieth, not sure of your beliefs but I've heard it said "don't pray to God for a hole and then stand there leaning on a shovel". I agree more needs to be done, but I think we can use all the help we can get.

A lot of awful things in the world. Probably a lot of them much closer to home than we would all like to think, but mass abandoning of children at least doesn't seem to be happening here.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Understand your point of view, Kieth, not sure of your beliefs but I've heard it said "don't pray to God for a hole and then stand there leaning on a shovel". I agree more needs to be done, but I think we can use all the help we can get.

A lot of awful things in the world. Probably a lot of them much closer to home than we would all like to think, but mass abandoning of children at least doesn't seem to be happening here.
I have heard it said (no factual info) that a huge amount of illegal border crossers (children) can't be accounted for ; hope it's just rumor.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
I have heard it said (no factual info) that a huge amount of illegal border crossers (children) can't be accounted for ; hope it's just rumor.

Not a rumor, it's human sex trafficking and it's huge in this country. It has increased dramatically in the last few years.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
"Peacetime"/Cold War, fall of 1980, many NATO members converged upon West Germany in a colossal exercise to emulate running to the aid of Western Europe when/if the "monolithic communist horde" flooded across the border. The exercise was called "REFORGER," an acronym for Return of Forces to Germany.

I ended up in the northern part of Germany, where the Brits were stationed. We few into Belgium, were treated very, very well for the couple hours we were there before bussing to a remote, rural site in the middle of the night to offload into abandoned SS R&R barracks for the duration of the "visit." When we pulled up, there were barricades holding back a mob of what appeared to be angry women and children.

I'd been warned by a former girlfriend's mother, who was born and raised in Germany, to not get stationed there, because Germans hated Americans. As I shuffled off the bus to face the angry, screaming protesters, it dawned on me they were all smiling and waving. No placards, no pickets - they were reaching to touch us and acting like we were heroes come to save them.

For the next month, everywhere I went, dirty, stinky, muddy, wearing fatigues and steel pot and toting an M203 into whatever gasthaus was near when I was hungry, I was treated exceptionally well. If there were a WWII Vet in the place, I couldn't buy my lunch - he or they would buy it for me and gab in German while I ate.

I honestly get choked up telling or writing this. It was overwhelming for a 19 year-old kid - a "privileged American" - to be treated so well when I was part of a huge imposition upon their daily lives, their roads and streets and accommodations.

I know a young American woman who travels for a living. It has amazed me how well she is treated elsewhere. In Vietnam, especially, which was particularly touching. She's been to most of the worst places for an American to have ended up in during the Cold War and has been treated very well.

A dear friend who passed just a bit over a year ago, a Vietnam Vet, who spent the last thirty years of his life traveling the globe as well - most of the same places she went - and he was treated very well too. His travels started when he decided to go back to Vietnam and was treated like an old friend, like family.

There are some places - there are some people - who appreciate things. They just don't seem to make the news.
 

oscarflytyer

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Jeff

Also in Germany. Stationed there for 3 years. Spoke the language. I was treated excellent with very few exceptions. One was a cpl guys when I first got there/wouldn't help with the bus schedule til my truck got there. They never did warm up as I got much better at the language. Germans liked seeing REFORGER then I participated. Funniest thing that happened to me and a friend (she spoke no German). We were in a gashaus having a beer/so were to old German men. They were talking about the American couple/I would translate occassionally for Kay. They had no clue/assume they spoke no English. Then one of them told a joke and I damned near spit beer and fell out of my chair laughing at it. They looked at me - and when I translated the joke to Kay and SHE laughed, they immediately got up and left, with 1/2 glasses of beer left. They realized I had understood nearly everything they had said! It was a hoot. But those are really the only two bad experiences in 3 years. I loved it and wanted to stay.

Also, had a Supply NCO/German/married an American. Ed retired there, she was still active. She very adamantly told us that she would have starved as a kid had it not been for the generosity of the GIs that gave them food at the end of WW II. I will never forget her telling us that.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
If all you read of flight into conquest or stuka pilot is how they were treated after their capture/surrender it's worth it .
It sounds like propaganda with the words "We were treated , fed ,and housed better as POWs than as officers of our forces " , apparently it was true at least in the context of how they expected to be treated.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
The writer of stuka pilot stated that he and his flight the morning after the armistice flew to Italy to surrender to known Britt's and Americans wanting no part of the Russians and the gulags of they were lucky enough to go to one .
 

Missionary

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When I was in Germany (Dec 72- July 74) we did a Reforger yearly. I was in an M60A1 Tank BN. so we did more field time than other units.
But 73 Reforger was not to the scale of 74. In 74 we did a Rhine crossing. did the whole 45 days driving about wearing out roadwheels and tracks.
We were in Mainze waiting our turn on the schedule to do the pontoon bridge so knew we had well over an hour. About 50 yards away was the Cathedral Martin Luther nailed the 95 Thesis to the door. I walked over and read the plaque. There was a brass replica bolted to the door. Drove through Trier and saw numerous Roman ruins.
For a history buff it was neat.
The West German Leopard crews we trained with were of the mind there was no surrendering to the East Germans traitors. It was going to be "the Alamo" for each crew. They would not even talk about the Russians. They would spit if France was mentioned.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
....They would spit if France was mentioned.

Funny you mention that. The French were there in 1980. I remember a whole convoy stopping and I thought there was mechanical trouble.

Nope. Every so often along the stopped convoy was a "box" of wine on a "Jeep" (their version) hood and soldiers were partaking.

I worked with the Brits through the exercise and, just like a religious imperative, every day at 16:00 Hrs, the world stopped rotating on it's axis and the Brits took TEA.

The Brits were hilarious. They could make you laugh so hard you hurt, without so much as smirking themselves.
 
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
I worked with the Brits through the exercise and, just like a religious imperative, every day at 16:00 Hrs, the world stopped rotating on it's axis and the Brits took TEA.
Rommel would have been chased out of North Africa much sooner if the Brits hadn't stopped for tea every day.
 

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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
And that is a true story. Over 50% of the raids by the Africa Corps were between 1600 and 1630 hours.
Additionally, there were times when the Brits were on the attack, and instead of pressing it, they stopped for tea.

I've a bit of my maternal father's English (and Welsh blood), nonetheless the Brits can be weird.
 

oscarflytyer

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My very dear German friend/family, when I was there - his Father - Wehrmacht Officer. wounded/captured by the Russians/transferred to the Americans. POW camp for ~15mo in US. I had 3x Christmas' with the family. Was VERY nervous to meet his Father. He told me that Americans saved his life/he was very happy to be an American POW. Also said had I been Russian, he would have disowned his Son/my friend for having me in their home!

W Germans hated the Russian influence on E Germans, but not the E Germans themselves, in my experience. I knew a number of (W) Germans that had extended E German family. They tended to be very sad about that fact.

Brits and Frogs - eee GAD - stories!
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
My mothers extended (pre-1900) family were from Prussia/Poland and just poor Jewish farmers. First in 1939 the Russians came in a killed a bunch, then June 1941 the Germans came through and killed more. Then in 1944 the Russians came back and killed or starved the rest of the extended family.

In 1947 my Mother got almost ten years of letters mailed from the US back from the Red Cross. Neither the Germans nor the Russians would deliver mail.