What Did You Shoot Today?
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Rich, Herco isn't listed in either Lyman's 3rd or 4th editions of their Cast Bullet Handbook, but I found the data on Alliant's web-site, though only one load.
250-grain bullet
9.5-grains
5 1/2" barrel
1021 fps
Snakeoil
Well-Known Member
Silhouette match today at Wilton. Another day of widespread humiliation perpetrated by the conditions. Wind blew so hard this morning that I could hear it lying in bed. Weatherman said 15mph winds today. I think he was off a tad.
Blue skies and brigh sun resulted in a strong mirage. Wind changed directions faster than I could call it. We both agreed that the shooter would read the mirage for himself and let the spotter concentrate on calling the wind. I'm looking forward to seeing the scores. I shot a pitiful 28 with my .32-40. Kinda wished I'd brought my 03. My partner shot as 31 with his .32-40. Another friend shot a .34 with his 03 NRA Sporter. We did have one member shoot a perfect score. But, he shoots a modern Tikka and used coated bullets that are doing about 2000 fps. The advantage of the high velocity in the wind became extremely apparent today.
Will will be bringing the .32-40 to the club on Wed and hopefully, there will be no wind and I can see just how well it does at 500 yds. Both times I've shot it in practice at that distance, I had a howling wind working against me.
Still had fun. And the new hot dog machine was a hit. Told my shooting buddies lunch was on me this Wed. I've already made the meat sauce for the dogs and got a pound of Hembolds small dogs. They are just big enough to not slip thru the rollers.
Blue skies and brigh sun resulted in a strong mirage. Wind changed directions faster than I could call it. We both agreed that the shooter would read the mirage for himself and let the spotter concentrate on calling the wind. I'm looking forward to seeing the scores. I shot a pitiful 28 with my .32-40. Kinda wished I'd brought my 03. My partner shot as 31 with his .32-40. Another friend shot a .34 with his 03 NRA Sporter. We did have one member shoot a perfect score. But, he shoots a modern Tikka and used coated bullets that are doing about 2000 fps. The advantage of the high velocity in the wind became extremely apparent today.
Will will be bringing the .32-40 to the club on Wed and hopefully, there will be no wind and I can see just how well it does at 500 yds. Both times I've shot it in practice at that distance, I had a howling wind working against me.
Still had fun. And the new hot dog machine was a hit. Told my shooting buddies lunch was on me this Wed. I've already made the meat sauce for the dogs and got a pound of Hembolds small dogs. They are just big enough to not slip thru the rollers.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Shot a boat load of work ups and trials .
25-06' moved on up from 12.5 through 14.0 gr of Unique with the NOE 26-120 . It just doesn't want to play nice 1.5-2" at 50 yd high and right about 5" had a neck get really long on me , and the weigh lotted brass didn't help anything I guess I should anneal the necks as I had sooted necks and some lead blowby from the long neck . It probably would have been really bad with a case full 4064 and a jacket. I guess I'll jump up to 4831 and or change to something less coppered .......I'll get to that .
257 Roberts 90 gr with 10-11.5 gr Unique 11.0 looks pretty good. It's the Herters version of I think a 258733 . (I only saw a profile and it's out of print , pointy cast isn't cool . It was also a dismal failure in the 25-06' and well off abandoned. It looks like it'll work here after I swat a few more bugs .
Had the Marlin jamb . Otherwise the six 7.62x54 cases were a complete success single fed or in a anything that does depend on the rim thickness for feed control . I was able to push the mag born case forward and unlock the action . 9.0 Herco under a 458-201 Rapine 255 gr RNFP shot backstop rocks nicely and the first 3 did the atypical 2" at 50 yd and 3-4" at 100 for this example which I find satisfactory for a lower cost lever gun . 1895 G of 2010 , Marlin receiver and barrel with Rem parts and wood .
The 358 Win was a bit of a disappointment but they tend to do that first time out with new everything. I think the 360-228 needs to be driven harder than 10&11 gr of Unique. The 35-250 remains solid and shot the expected half dollar group with 44.5 4350 at , assuming nothing has changed, 2100 fps MV.
The Savage 110 in 275 Rigby did not give me the desired results with the softer alloys in the 7mm-168 but with 40-41.5 gr of H4831 it did show a definite trend towards smaller groups . I think that driving the 260-120 harder in the 25-06' is going to do the same thing whatever it is specifically that it's doing. The pleased over all with the results especially since there was fouling with jacketed 175 data for the bullets at 178 gr seating is long but there's lots of room in the mag . The matched brass did make a difference. I have to work on sizing while it has a zero over length and HS chamber it seems that it doesn't agree with the sizers about shoulder and body dimensions. I should have a 284 Win die for neck sizing shortly . Because a set came up for sale for less than I can buy bushings , a correct neck , or 7-08 die .
It's in an awkward place of how much softer and launch pliable can I go and not blow up in the twist . The 7mm is 9.5 I think Dad's 25 is a 1-12 it has never shot jacketed 120s even the FB RN but shot the FB 115 Nosler and Sierra's well . I think the controlled movement in the with the mild launch and relatively flat acceleration is what is both making it happen and keeping it from happening. There's too much case in the 25 to go to 4350 but it might the ticket in the 7×57 or it might be too fast both in the case and at the muzzle .
I'm pleased with the 92 in 45 Colts . I shot the assorted charge's of Herco under the Bear Creek 300 gr TC . The first 2 loads at 7.5&8 gr were dirty but 8.5 cleaned up nicely . These were in the slightly short very first box of PMC brass with almost 40 cycles on them annealed at about 22-24 cycles . They were loaded at 1.61" and cycled freely in the 16" M92' Rossi . This is important as I hope to one day hunt hogs with this one again and maybe shoot a 100 yd groups with it . I don't have any clue what the MV is but at 50 yd we had nice round holes spread sideways over about 3.5" and about 2" tall with all 4 loads up to 9.0 . While they hit about 2' below POH at 115ish yd (the back stop at Brushy Hollow range) . It hit in line with the sights with easy hold over within the sights , a tall dovetail post and semi buckhorn rear not quite like the intended use .
I was also able to shoot the 45 S&W S&W and it seems to be happy with the RP brass as well as the Hornady . Unfortunately it also still shoots obscenely high even with the 230s , 225-451 BB . I loaded them with the 6.0 Unique data with Herco might , I may have to just do the Unique . The stupid Hornady brass won't feed in the 92' , never seen such a fickle beast . It won't feed full length RP Colts but runs it fine short at 1.1 and the Hornady that even loaded 1.6"and 1.4" , won't feed as Schofield . In an interesting twist they shot as well as the 300s . I don't if they were cracking I didn't Chrono anything today .
25-06' moved on up from 12.5 through 14.0 gr of Unique with the NOE 26-120 . It just doesn't want to play nice 1.5-2" at 50 yd high and right about 5" had a neck get really long on me , and the weigh lotted brass didn't help anything I guess I should anneal the necks as I had sooted necks and some lead blowby from the long neck . It probably would have been really bad with a case full 4064 and a jacket. I guess I'll jump up to 4831 and or change to something less coppered .......I'll get to that .
257 Roberts 90 gr with 10-11.5 gr Unique 11.0 looks pretty good. It's the Herters version of I think a 258733 . (I only saw a profile and it's out of print , pointy cast isn't cool . It was also a dismal failure in the 25-06' and well off abandoned. It looks like it'll work here after I swat a few more bugs .
Had the Marlin jamb . Otherwise the six 7.62x54 cases were a complete success single fed or in a anything that does depend on the rim thickness for feed control . I was able to push the mag born case forward and unlock the action . 9.0 Herco under a 458-201 Rapine 255 gr RNFP shot backstop rocks nicely and the first 3 did the atypical 2" at 50 yd and 3-4" at 100 for this example which I find satisfactory for a lower cost lever gun . 1895 G of 2010 , Marlin receiver and barrel with Rem parts and wood .
The 358 Win was a bit of a disappointment but they tend to do that first time out with new everything. I think the 360-228 needs to be driven harder than 10&11 gr of Unique. The 35-250 remains solid and shot the expected half dollar group with 44.5 4350 at , assuming nothing has changed, 2100 fps MV.
The Savage 110 in 275 Rigby did not give me the desired results with the softer alloys in the 7mm-168 but with 40-41.5 gr of H4831 it did show a definite trend towards smaller groups . I think that driving the 260-120 harder in the 25-06' is going to do the same thing whatever it is specifically that it's doing. The pleased over all with the results especially since there was fouling with jacketed 175 data for the bullets at 178 gr seating is long but there's lots of room in the mag . The matched brass did make a difference. I have to work on sizing while it has a zero over length and HS chamber it seems that it doesn't agree with the sizers about shoulder and body dimensions. I should have a 284 Win die for neck sizing shortly . Because a set came up for sale for less than I can buy bushings , a correct neck , or 7-08 die .
It's in an awkward place of how much softer and launch pliable can I go and not blow up in the twist . The 7mm is 9.5 I think Dad's 25 is a 1-12 it has never shot jacketed 120s even the FB RN but shot the FB 115 Nosler and Sierra's well . I think the controlled movement in the with the mild launch and relatively flat acceleration is what is both making it happen and keeping it from happening. There's too much case in the 25 to go to 4350 but it might the ticket in the 7×57 or it might be too fast both in the case and at the muzzle .
I'm pleased with the 92 in 45 Colts . I shot the assorted charge's of Herco under the Bear Creek 300 gr TC . The first 2 loads at 7.5&8 gr were dirty but 8.5 cleaned up nicely . These were in the slightly short very first box of PMC brass with almost 40 cycles on them annealed at about 22-24 cycles . They were loaded at 1.61" and cycled freely in the 16" M92' Rossi . This is important as I hope to one day hunt hogs with this one again and maybe shoot a 100 yd groups with it . I don't have any clue what the MV is but at 50 yd we had nice round holes spread sideways over about 3.5" and about 2" tall with all 4 loads up to 9.0 . While they hit about 2' below POH at 115ish yd (the back stop at Brushy Hollow range) . It hit in line with the sights with easy hold over within the sights , a tall dovetail post and semi buckhorn rear not quite like the intended use .
I was also able to shoot the 45 S&W S&W and it seems to be happy with the RP brass as well as the Hornady . Unfortunately it also still shoots obscenely high even with the 230s , 225-451 BB . I loaded them with the 6.0 Unique data with Herco might , I may have to just do the Unique . The stupid Hornady brass won't feed in the 92' , never seen such a fickle beast . It won't feed full length RP Colts but runs it fine short at 1.1 and the Hornady that even loaded 1.6"and 1.4" , won't feed as Schofield . In an interesting twist they shot as well as the 300s . I don't if they were cracking I didn't Chrono anything today .
Snakeoil
Well-Known Member
According to GRT, that puts the MV very close to 2000 fps. If not a coated bullet, isn't that a little fast for a cast bullet?
RBHarter
West Central AR
Not in the 1-12" . There's no grey/silver at the end of the 24" barrel and little is any lube on the crown .
The other side of this is that I know the rifle is capable of qt milk cartons at 300 yd with a 3100 fps load . I'm wondering now if that wasn't with a 100 gr Game King or Pro Hunter . Dad left about 3-4 boxes each but only partials of the 115 &117s the 1.5" 50 yd and 2.5" 100 yd groups may be all it's going to do with the 120 even cast and being so much shorter than the jacketed . I guess I'll cast up a pile of the 258312s and see if that shines a little brighter they're only 90 gr I think , tough to make a deer load I'd be comfortable with but maybe I could find a like bullet at 105 or 110 gr .
There's just so much case there for the bore and bullet weight . It's a big gap to jump from kick it in the base to the long push that is .
The other side of this is that I know the rifle is capable of qt milk cartons at 300 yd with a 3100 fps load . I'm wondering now if that wasn't with a 100 gr Game King or Pro Hunter . Dad left about 3-4 boxes each but only partials of the 115 &117s the 1.5" 50 yd and 2.5" 100 yd groups may be all it's going to do with the 120 even cast and being so much shorter than the jacketed . I guess I'll cast up a pile of the 258312s and see if that shines a little brighter they're only 90 gr I think , tough to make a deer load I'd be comfortable with but maybe I could find a like bullet at 105 or 110 gr .
There's just so much case there for the bore and bullet weight . It's a big gap to jump from kick it in the base to the long push that is .
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
The .45 Colt Uberti Cattleman is favoring Bullseye and Unique, thus eliminating 5744, 2400, SR7625 and Herco, and Bullseye is favored over Unique.
I switched from the Lyman 454190 to the Lee 452-255 RF (both weigh 263-grains) and reduced their initial loads by half-a-grain, and that brought their points of impact more in line with their points of aim.
The plan is to reduce the loads another half-a-grain and see what happens Friday.
I'm not killing horses, so speed is not important.
I switched from the Lyman 454190 to the Lee 452-255 RF (both weigh 263-grains) and reduced their initial loads by half-a-grain, and that brought their points of impact more in line with their points of aim.
The plan is to reduce the loads another half-a-grain and see what happens Friday.
I'm not killing horses, so speed is not important.
Snakeoil
Well-Known Member
Finally remembered to look at my TAC-22. Mine is not the same as the stuff you have. Mine says nothing about supressors and the MV is 1083 although my chrono clocked it at 1057.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Besides the post on the "Range Rifle" thread, took the 40/50 out again today. here is the target from two weeks ago:
Todays target is rounder and less vertical. Thanks for the help Snakeoil, and Ian. (Ignore the .30 caliber X in the target, recycling them.)
Todays target is rounder and less vertical. Thanks for the help Snakeoil, and Ian. (Ignore the .30 caliber X in the target, recycling them.)
L Ross
Well-Known Member
Took a break between chores yesterday and grabbed my Bergara B-14 .22 trainer. When I lifted it outa the safe my first thought was, "Oof Dah this thing gained weight over the Winter." With the 6" barrel extension it does weigh almost 12 lb. scoped.
Walked out to the roofed syrup cooking structure that is conveniently lined up with the 80 yard berm and rail. The wind had only blown one of the twenty prairie dogs down and their white paint contrasts nicely with the berm now that brown and green has replaced snow.
Hefting the Bergara reminded me that off hand shooting requires a different set of muscles from chain sawing, and raking. I managed to miss the first three dogs in a row as not only did the cross hairs dance but the gusty wind rocked my whole body out of the west. I wiggled foot holes in the gravel and adjusted my body to attain a natural point of aim. I then waited for periods of relative calm in the wind for each shot and dinged down 6 dogs in a row. Much happier now I finished the rail with 14 hits of the 19 targets. I could feel the acid buildup in my shoulder joints. The fatigue made cleaning the 5 left overs a bit more frustrating as it took me 9 rounds to get the 5 escapees.
A couple more sessions like this and I'll drag out the Model 700 .308 with cast and work on 5" diamonds on the same berm. I like the TT Diamond two stage trigger I put in the Bergara so much I may have to get one for the 700. Or....maybe I need to look to see if Bergara makes an identical rifle to the .22 in .308. I mean, after all, I have been selling guns and there are vacancies in the safe, and some spare cash and......
Walked out to the roofed syrup cooking structure that is conveniently lined up with the 80 yard berm and rail. The wind had only blown one of the twenty prairie dogs down and their white paint contrasts nicely with the berm now that brown and green has replaced snow.
Hefting the Bergara reminded me that off hand shooting requires a different set of muscles from chain sawing, and raking. I managed to miss the first three dogs in a row as not only did the cross hairs dance but the gusty wind rocked my whole body out of the west. I wiggled foot holes in the gravel and adjusted my body to attain a natural point of aim. I then waited for periods of relative calm in the wind for each shot and dinged down 6 dogs in a row. Much happier now I finished the rail with 14 hits of the 19 targets. I could feel the acid buildup in my shoulder joints. The fatigue made cleaning the 5 left overs a bit more frustrating as it took me 9 rounds to get the 5 escapees.
A couple more sessions like this and I'll drag out the Model 700 .308 with cast and work on 5" diamonds on the same berm. I like the TT Diamond two stage trigger I put in the Bergara so much I may have to get one for the 700. Or....maybe I need to look to see if Bergara makes an identical rifle to the .22 in .308. I mean, after all, I have been selling guns and there are vacancies in the safe, and some spare cash and......